This make the news only because it's going to chinese servers. Didn't see anything like that about ChatGPT or the one made by Google.
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as opposed to OpenAI which also stores keystrokes and then sells them to anyone who'd pay?
This is Whataboutism and you are clearly a Wumao agent sent here to destroy democracy.
I don't need to... Muricans took care of destroying democracy all on their own
We were doing a perfectly adequate job of that on our own
When I read DeepSeek's privacy policy, I was creeped out by the invasiveness of the keystrokes thing. Then I realised that ChatGPT is just as creepy, but less upfront about it, and DeepSeek's relative transparencyn caused me to see them in a more favourable light
Yes, that is how these generative AI imementations work.
Like every app you have doesn't collect keystrokes data?
right?
CHINESE APP COLLECTS YOUR THOUGHTS AND SAVES THEM
We are now at a time where US blocks China services in order to protect its companies
Just like many US services are banned in China in Order to protect their companies
So, I hope no surprise..
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Its or their for countries?
I feel like their is more common. I do deliberately say its for companies because companies aren't people and don't deserve people pronouns. Countries seem more like a collection of people, so I use their.
If someone knows more about grammar feel free to correct me.
They should store the data in US servers like OpenAI does. Apparently then Mashable won't write an article about it.
The criticism thrown at DeepSeek in the past days is just as applicable to American AI models. But when that was brought up it in the past it was "making things political".
At least I can run DeepSeek locally.
This article is what US propaganda looks like folks. Mashable should be ashamed.
Literally all AI companies do this to run their services. Except you can actually download Deepseek and run it completely securely on your own devices. You know who doesn't allow that security? OpenAI and the other US companies currently being screwed.
every google site has been doing this for years too. every comment we write in youtube and discard before posting, its being recorded. this isnt news at all.
Unrelated but yesterday I saw a post where the person was mocking those concerned by the chinese getting their data, saying things like "why would they care" and some people sarcastically saying they wouldn't understand the data because "it was in another language". Were those people right or not?
i don't know but there are some Chinese apps that translates instantly like everything in every language
Oh my, just wait until you learn what Facebook and Google do...
Yes, I’m going to be lectured on privacy by people who are still on twitter.
Just host it yourself?
Building my entire data model around the Tienanmen Square copypasta. I can run this thing on a Raspberry Pi plugged into a particularly starchy potato and it reliably returns the only answer I've thought to ask it.
By extension, anything that's not self hosted means 3rd party actors snooping. American, Chinese, whoever happens to operate that machine.
You can't just host the 632B model that the app uses lol
You can run the smaller models on your desktop though
If you have the hardware, then yes, you can.
Ah, just acquire such hardware, very simple and anyone can do it without supply chain knowledge or advantage
Sorry but you are just talking assumptions without even having looked at the facts.
Its not cheap, but basically a single toptier gaming desktop with an additional graphics card (or 2) is literally all you need.
I know multiple people who work normal IT jobs that have already started on setting up their own. They plan on running them for their whole family, many users at a time from the same machine.
Here is someone who got it to work on a cluster of mac-minis. Again not cheap, but clearly within dedicated consumer enthusiast reach. https://digialps.com/deepseek-v3-on-m4-mac-blazing-fast-inference-on-apple-silicon/
And this is before even considering how fast open source moves, i am expecting quantized models which can have double speed for negligible quality impact any second now.
the company states that it may share user information to "comply with applicable law, legal process, or government requests.
Literally every company's privacy policy here in the US basically just says that too.
Not only does DeepSeek collect "text or audio input, prompt, uploaded files, feedback, chat history, or other content that [the user] provide[s] to our model and Services," but it also collects information from your device, including "device model, operating system, keystroke patterns or rhythms, IP address, and system language."
Breaking news, company with chatbot you send messages to uses and stores the messages you send, and also does what practically every other app does for demographic statistics gathering and optimizations.
Companies with AI models like Google, Meta, and OpenAI collect similar troves of information, but their privacy policies do not mention collecting keystrokes. There's also the added issue that DeepSeek sends your user data straight to Chinese servers.
They didn't use the word keystrokes, therefore they don't collect them? Of course they collect keystrokes, how else would you type anything into these apps?
In DeepSeek's privacy policy, there's no mention of the security of its servers. There's nothing about whether data is encrypted, either stored or in transmission, and zero information about safeguards to prevent unauthorized access.
This is the only thing that seems disturbing to me, compared to what we'd like to expect based on the context of what DeepSeek is. Of course, this was proven recently in practice to be terrible policy, so I assume they might shore up their defenses a bit.
All the articles that talk about this as if it's some big revelation just boil down to "company does exactly what every other big tech company does in America, except in China"
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The Chinese now have data on my Linux vm and my curiosity about sweet potato and sweet potato recipe. They’re coming for me now!
Did the American technology giants think they had the monopoly on capturing human input too?
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Did they become american company?
Well, at least models are downloadable.
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I'm confused. Isn't "collecting keystroke data" just an alarmist way to describe text entry?
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"We store the information we collect in secure servers located in the People's Republic of China"
Now you Americans know how we Europeans feel when Google, Amazon and Facebook store our information on American servers. Hint: The protective wall between Chinese servers and their government are about as good as the one between American servers and their government - at least for non-US citizens. The last thin veil of privacy for Eurpeans has been ripped to shreds by Trump last week.
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