It's cool and all to dunk on their logical fallacies, but don't think for one second that their poor wording will stop them from enacting untold violence against trans people.
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Hate to break it to you gals, but congrats to Trump for becoming the first female president!
...that's not how that works.
Early stages of development are bipotential, which means they could develop either way, they're not initially female.
Around 6-7 weeks, if carrying a Y chromosome carrying the gene SRY, they develop into testes. If there are two X chromosomes, then ovaries develop.
...So we're all legally non-binary? NBs rise up!
Except it is pointless to talk about any of that, since the order defines what male and female means.
Males are those belonging at conception to the sex producing small reproductive cells (aka sperm).
Females are those belonging at conception to the sex producing large reproductive cells (aka eggs).
Since at conception I (and everyone else) did not produce either, I am now neither male nor female according to the new definitions.
These posts just show that the loudest people on the left are just as scientifically illiterate as the loudest people on the right :( I mean, it's mostly just reading with understanding they fail at, not even lacking knowledge...
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This. It's incredible how people miss this little important fact
But aren't the sex chromosomes decided at the moment of conception (or even with the sperm/egg). They need to work on their bigotry, it's frankly just basic biology. "their legal gender is their sex chromosomes upon conception". Although that opens another can of worms for those people whose chromosomes don't match their genitals, but I'm sure they can throw a few asterisks in there to sort that out.
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What if due to age, condition or procedure you don't produce any?
I feel even if they went with this, there could be better ways to define it.
No one produces sperm at conception. No one produces sperm at birth. It's nonsense legislation.
Best part is, in order to prove I'm a man, I need to wank and they need to check on a lab.
ATM my gender is SchrΓΆdinger's
Trump increases the wage gap rather unconventionally.
What a roundabout way to get unisex bathrooms.
Congratulations to women, your public bathrooms will be less crowded. To my trans brothers and sisters, see you at the sink!
The fem-cel community has already accepted me even though I'm a cis straight white guy who's asexual (so voluntarily celibate) but I'm happy I can now finally check one box and accept myself as a femcel.
But are you voluntarily celibate if you are asexual? I don't mean it as a gatcha or something, but as a philosophical question.
In my social circle, the asexual people seem like they would probably prefer to be non- asexual because it is easier to find a partner for life if sex is not a no-go. So clearly their asexuality is not voluntary, they just are what they are. now acting on the involuntary part of yourself, is that a voluntary action?
(Sidenote: I am not saying that these asexual people aren't accepting who they are, or think it is bad that they are what they are. Personally I think being pansexual is the best because you got all the options, while I seem to be straight and I am very comfortable with it and feel like I am living a comfortable and fulfilling life with my partner. So I really mean 0 hate towards asexual people or anyone else. I am just talking about the practical impaction of sexualities in our given social norm)
It's a spectrum. For example you're friends who wish they weren't asexual are valid and are asexual. I do not feel the same way.
I have the ability I don't have the desire. I actually have children. I've also had girlfriends suggest various things like maybe I have low testosterone. Never got checked for low t. It's not something I'm really interested in fixing. I'd compare it to wanting crack cocaine. You don't want it now, maybe there is a way to make you want it... Why tho? Seems like an extra complication to life. As for relationships: the ones I've had haven't been great. The ones my friends have don't seem all that great either.
I'm good. I've got my books and no desire for anything more . What is there to fix? Why should I fix it if I'm already fine? Why should I make myself want more than I already have if I'm already happy? You normal people don't seem all that happy with it, why would I want it? I'm good .
How much time do you spend trying to get sex or a relationship? How much time would you save if you... Didn't... And you didn't want it? Why would you want to want something so time consuming.
Edit: what i mean is from my view point people are basically asking "why don't you try to create this void in your soul then Spend your entire life working on filling it... Mostly unsuccessfully, and failed attempts will be very very painful, but one day you MIGHT fill the void and you'll be happy because that void is now filled!"
Why the fuck would I want that. It sounds awful. You guys go right ahead tho. I'm not judging. I'm just say "nah man I'm good"
Thanks for sharing. I totally see your point. When I was younger, the need and the availability to satisfy it really didn't line up. Kinda sucked.
It sounds to me like you are aromantic too. Am I catching that right? I would separate chasing a relationship from chasing sex.
Personally I need a partner and a sex life. Wanting a teammate for life is the best thing to me. The other is just really fun to me.
Anyway thanks for sharing! It was really interesting reading your perspective!
I wouldn't call my self aromantic by definition. It.more just bitterness from my past. I would like to have a "soulmate" but the pain involved in finding one isn't worth it to me. So in practice I'm aromantic but there is a desire for companionship. Just not enough of a desire.
Ohhhh!! My bad! I hope you can heal and eventually fate makes you stumble onto someone worth your time and love. Take care! And good luck!
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Yipeeee :3
(Sucks for my ftm homies tho)
I joked "welcome back to womanhood, my son" with my trans kid, but he's ok with being chromosomally female anyway, as far as I can tell. He laughed, laws don't change reality, and if it was reality they wouldn't need to make the law.
I for one accept my new government assigned gender!
Now when are they passing that government assigned discord kitten legislation?
So now there will finally be wage equality. All the previous males will be getting a 23% pay cut.
Trans women loves this one weird trick that trans men hate!
My man-tits now make a lot more sense. I think I'm going to make a stellar addition to the female gender. I'm off to find a local bar with a ladies night. See you there my fellow ladies.
Trump abolished gender reveal parties, which is kinda positive honestly
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I was under the impression that the sperm that fertilizes the egg carries either an X chromosome or Y chromosome and that's what determines male or female. So that would mean conception is in fact when this gets decided, no? What am I missing here?
Sex isn't directly determined by chromosomes, it is determined by someone taking a look at the sex organs. This works for most people, but embryonic development is like most things complicated and there are a lot of factors that make it more difficult than "male" and "female". Examples are people with more than 2 chromosomes or that have absorbed a sibling in the womb. Difference of sex development is estimated to affect 1/100 people.
So when the doc takes a look just before 6 weeks, she must declare "the embryo has ovaries and no testes - female" at every single person. At literal conception: "Idk know, man, it is just 1 cell".
Sex isnβt directly determined by chromosomes, it is determined by someone taking a look at the sex organs.
I mean that's how it's usually observed, but not how it's determined. Those sex organs get there somehow. The general rule is that if you have a heightened level of androgens and nothing preventing you from responding to them at a certain point in fetal development then you develop male sex organs, if not you develop female sex organs. Barring some other medical disorder, those heightened androgens that masculinize the fetus are triggered by the action of the SRY gene on a Y chromosome.
Difference of sex development is estimated to affect 1/100 people.
If you include absolutely everything, yeah. But someone with Klinefelter's is in terms of sexual function male (if less fertile), someone with XXX is in the same way female, XX people with CAIS are in the same way female, etc. Cases where there's ambiguity in sexual function are much more rare.
But really all this is like making the argument that gloves shouldn't come in pairs with five fingers per glove because rarely people are born with syndactyly, polydactyly, etc. Like the definition Trump uses is stupid and wrong (not least because no one is producing gametes at conception) and it's at least even odds it makes him non-male since at his age he's probably shooting blanks, but to pretend that sex in humans doesn't come in two categories and an assortment of rare conditions in which something went wrong genetically or developmentally is kinda silly.
Your Gloves comparison is pretty flawed, though.
We don't require everyone to wear a pair of gloves at all times. We don't put glove data on legal forms, we don't use gloves to classify a critical element of our sense of self. We don't make changing your glove type illegal, costly, or incredibly difficult. We don't make getting 4 or 6 finger gloves illegal. We don't force people with 6 fingers to get one chopped off. We don't exclude people who are missing a hand entirely from society. We don't publicly demonize people with 4 fingers.
Yes, the proportion of people impacted is small, but the impact to those people is not. We can't just call it "Good enough" because it works for 99% of the population when the 1% it definitely doesn't work for is being absolutely ruined by it, especially if the exceptions that serve that small population are being systematically eliminated so that their existence is either suffering or criminality.
I look forward to updating my passport eye colour entry to brown/blue, since whatever colour is currently noted there is statistically insignificant and must be the same as when I was born.
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You can have XY chromosomes and develop a vulva and uterus. The determining factor is activation of the SRY gene of an XY karyotype then develops as a male. These individuals generally don't experience puberty without hormone replacement therapy, due to the lack of hormone producing gonads.
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This was the only possibility for the Incel Movement to ever get touched by a ~~women~~ female. Congrats to them.
"All female employees must pose nude if requested"
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