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[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 97 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The funniest part of the 'social credit score' bullshit is we absolutely have it here in the United States. It's called your credit fucking score. So many aspects of life are gatekept by access to money which, in the current economy, means access to debt, which is controlled by: your credit score. And it can absolutely negatively impact your life. And not just prejudices from private citizens.

You try driving a beat up clunker of a car through nice neighborhoods and see how long until a cop shows up to ask what you're doing there. That's a state actor. You try sending your kids to a good school when you can't get a loan to live in a house in a good school district. That's municipal government. You try renting an apartment without a fucking pay stub. God. Damn. We live in a society governed by money. Having access to money is a social metric aka a "sCoRe" you fucking barbells.

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm also 99% sure credit is tied to your family just from anecdotal evidence. Both me and my friend signed up for credit cards the same day at the age of 18.

He could only get a "secured" credit card with a $150 limit, while I had an insane limit for a kid making minimum wage.

Of course his parents filed for bankruptcy years before that, but it does make me wonder.

[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago

It absolutely does tie in to your family. And where you live. And a host of other factors outside your control. And not just passively like that. A shitty parent can fuck up your life by doing fraud in your name or vice versa. And now you're stained by it and it can haunt you like a ghost for years.

[–] Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

My mom took out my first credit card as a joint family account, so I not only had her positive credit, I could make purchases and she could immediately repay them. For example, sometimes I'd buy our groceries or pay the electric bill. That way, I was building up credit without actually doing anything.

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[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 84 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I also wonder about the opposite of this like since rednote is mostly kind of a space for more pro western liberalized Chinese young people, how many of them are gonna get scared straight talking to Americans lol

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 69 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Exactly, while Americans are discovering that much of what their government said about China was false, the Chinese are realizing that conditions in the US are as bad, or worse, than their own government said.

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 80 points 1 year ago

Just saw this on Twitter lol

[–] CloutAtlas@hexbear.net 71 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Mass shootings in the US get way less coverage in China because it gets to a point where people start dismissing it as propaganda. Big ones make the news for a while, but most of them get touched on briefly and the news moves on.

Like, surely, after your 3rd mass shooting in a decade, the government would step in and do something about it, right?

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"We've had 15 mass shootings in 2025 so far"

"You mean in the 2020's, right?"

"Nope"

[–] ShareThatBread@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago

Time taken for 15 most recent mass shootings in Australia: 20 years

Time taken for 15 most recent mass shootings in USA: 14 days

[–] 7bicycles@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

I'm like 50:50 as to whether news out of China specifically just short-circuits a populaces brain that cannot even imagine anymore that the people like a government. I mean you look at like global north numbers and it peaks at, what, 30% or so? Removed from everything else I get the feeling the idea that you could like a government has died

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Like, surely, after your 3rd mass shooting in a decade, the government would step in and do something about it, right

One would think! thonk-cri

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[–] Des@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

was thinking this. the radicalization can go both ways

[–] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 41 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also I don't know how much these types of posts say anything about anything because these people have no object permanence and tend to believe whatever's in front of them or the last thing said to them. They have probably looked at Chinese netizens debunking of their priors with the same scrutiny as their original wrong opinions. XHS gets banned and all of these people will revert to treatlerites within 1 hour of returning to instagram or w/e.

[–] viva_la_juche@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea i dont expect it will trigger any introspection in people like “oh maybe I should be more critical of what the state dept says about x.” They’ll believe the very next lie they’re told even lol. But hopefully with respect to China itself it’ll erode the anti-Chinese/anti-communist sentiment among a decent portion of young(ish) people

[–] Leon_Grotsky@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

100-com

Even if the only result is this leaves the door cracked open for non-US Hegemonic PoV as part of this "believing the last thing you heard," that's still a vast improvement over being fully ensorceled by the propaganda machine.

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[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 76 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It'd be really, really funny if the TikTok ban is the domino that begins the collapse of the US empire in earnest.

[–] Bakzik@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 38 points 1 year ago

that would be the funniest catalyst for the collapse

[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I mean with how absolutely astoundingly incompetent the Biden administration was I could see their actions being another "stepping on a rake" moment.

[–] QuillcrestFalconer@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

China is truly evil. Why did they put so many rakes around Biden? Don't they know he's senile?

[–] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Unironically it’s a huge move that will piss off a lot of people. Half of Americans use TikTok. Half. If you’re in a room with 30 people, 15 of them have TikTok on their phone, and 14 are pissed about this ban.

You know what has less monthly users than TikTok does? The New York Times and the Washington Post. Put their monthly readerships together and it’s about equal to TikTok, except you know they have like a 90% overlap. Also waaaaay more than TV news has viewers, honestly adding all TV news viewers together still might not beat TikTok.

TikTok is absolutely massive and is arguably the dominant force in American culture. Banning it for reasons that literally everyone except my father can see are bullshit is a good way to piss off a lot of people for no gain.

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[–] Cimbazarov@hexbear.net 76 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Let's go!

But yea this is just a drop in the bucket. Every person I talk to in America has this warped view of China. The propaganda here is quite effective, cause even people who call themselves apolitical or barely know anything can recite anti-china talking points

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 63 points 1 year ago

That's why direct interactions between people are so important. As soon as Americans start talking to the Chinese, they quickly realize that they've been fed bullshit their whole lives. And while it's still a small number of people talking, I think it will grow because of networking effects. People will tell their friends, and they will get curious, and so on. I really think this is an incredibly important moment.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 29 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You can even track how effective it is over time. Negative views on china in the us and canada jumped 30% in like 15 years.

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[–] tamagotchicowboy@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I thought MMOs and online gaming would do this when I was little, nah gamers can't be helped.

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[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 65 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Reminds me of this quote:

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." -Mark Twain

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Exactly, and the beauty of social media is that it's a lot cheaper than travel making it possible for millions of people to get exposure to other cultures for free.

[–] Cbrodin@lemmy.myserv.one 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know many people who are infatuated with travel and rush around the globe visiting places two weeks at a time. If you really want to understand a place stay there a minimum of six months, otherwise you will just be getting the Readers Digest version. I have seen hoards of travelers descend on a location at one time and all that they do is change the character of the place by their presence. This is especially true for cruise ships. Also all of this excessive travel has a huge carbon footprint.

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[–] mar_k@hexbear.net 64 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

under an edit about china fighting fascist japan

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly really wholesome to see, which means the US will step in any second to stop this.

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trump gonna throw out an EO banning it on like day 2

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[–] batsforpeace@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

PRC+USSR propaganda posters with hunky dudes? Move over. It's time for cats.

[–] Weedian@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago

I just signed up last night and the amount of content like this rules

[–] TheChemist@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Reminds me of that Declassified CIA Report from 1983, which confirmed that the average Soviet Citizen ate around the same, albeit slightly less, calories as the average US Citizen, thus giving insight on how the Soviet Union wasn't full of starving individuals.

[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 1 year ago

sadly Americans never had a chance to talk to Soviet citizens back then

[–] WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I personally thought China had Sanda instead of BJJ/judo. They are rank 4 in judo at the Olympics. yikes-1 I saw videos of people doing BJJ and judo and it's every bit like it is in the anglosphere

I am not immune to propaganda

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[–] Aria@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Do you have the full versions of the videos in the picture? I found the first one https://www.tiktok.com/@shuswap_doug/video/7459845225922530566

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 17 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Okay, vulnerability time.

The social credit system isn't real?

Now, is it a flat out fabrication, hasn't been implemented yet, or not real in the sense that it doesn't exist in the why we've been told it does? I would also really appreciate a source, one that a westoid like me would trust to be unbiased would be great, but I won't give you a hard time for not supplying one.

[–] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You might also find it interesting how Chinese users react to being asked about it:

https://xcancel.com/KHAMCHANH/status/1879651724308398141

But yeah, it's always been utter nonsense, and was debunked years ago. But these sort of fabrications and twisted stories work well, because people will easily believe whatever they hear and read about a country they're supposed to see as an enemy.

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