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First comment is what I'm dunking on, the rest were just surprising to see upvoted in /r/nba

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[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 88 points 1 year ago

NBA fans are amicable to dunking big-cool

[-] honeynut@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago

they can respect a good poster

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 86 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"I understand when people say Americans are the most propagandized developed nation"

Oh boy wait 20 more years when they discover they're the most propagandized nation period

[-] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

Instantly caught that too lmao. I wanna believe there’s hope for these people, I really do but damn

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

They'll admit their shortcomings on anything to any degree as long as it doesn't break their Western superiority

[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 year ago

I hope they're gonna get there one day, they already dropped the Zenz shtick.

[-] OmniDeficient@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

If it's mainly a gut reaction to having their world view challenged, hope may not be out.

[-] Des@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago

sort of like an immune response.

[-] macabrett@hexbear.net 17 points 1 year ago

Damn I didn't even catch that part initially lmao I gave them too much credit

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 77 points 1 year ago

About damn time, only took people 5 years to catch on to this bullshit

[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

Depressingly, a lot of people can rightly point out this narrative in particular as bullshit but will internalize everything else they've been fed their whole lives to still come to the conclusion of China bad. So call me skeptical.

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

COINTELPRO is still alive.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 1 year ago

Yeah, a lot of people have realised that the "genocide" narrative isn't true, but sadly still talk about how "China is probably still treating ungers badly in Zin-jang. I don't have any proof, but China is just evil like that."

They've internalised the part of the propaganda the US state department wanted them to, so mission accomplished.

[-] RamrodBaguette@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Thing is, I don’t doubt there could be excesses or “missteps” carried out in the Xinjiang anti-terror campaign. Not because of the eviiil CCP organ harvester regime or whatever but by the nature of the operation and the cards China are dealt with. It runs parallel to certain events in the Soviet Union, like the numerous cases of Russian chauvinist bureaucrats and officers abusing their positions to take care of “Japanese spies” (ethnic Koreans on the onset of WWII) or “Islamist reactionaries” (in Central Asia).

Of course, you can’t even talk about something like this with a critical eye in front of Western liberals because they are all but guaranteed to take a mile when given an inch when the perceived “enemy team” concedes.

[-] DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Yeah I agree. They cast a very wide net and a lot of people had to undergo vocational training that didn't need to. It sucks to have your entire life put on hold like that.

though yeah, any sort of admission that mistakes were made is used as proof that the whole thing is just as bad as their imagination when it comes to libs. They'll do the "both sides bad (but the side I already opposed is worse)" thing they always do.

[-] CarmineCatboy@hexbear.net 67 points 1 year ago

the dam is breaking

i want to believe

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

May a thousand self-awarewolves bloom in Reddit!

[-] TrudeauCastroson@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago

Enes "Freedom" Kantor being annoying is probably what caused this.

All we need to disprove propaganda is annoying people on the other side

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

That man is such an obvious psyop and yet the libs loved his shit for a while

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

A lot of media first started covering him as an anti-Erdogan freedom hero, they just conveniently left out the part where he's a Gülenist.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

Turkish deep state politics is so complex I don’t even remember the factions. I remember Enes being a grey wolf or flashing their sign lol

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I thought Grey Wolves were Gülenists, but that's actually a different thing, so yeah, he's a Grey Wolf but media never mentioned that. I learned it from the massive Twitter thread about sus Uyghur organizations.

[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

Seems like he just kinda disappeared no?

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

Cause he was a subpar player no one liked lol

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

It’s actually, Enes Freedom née Enes Kanter to you, tankie

This guy was seriously the funniest shit ever. He aggressively build up his entire person around the "China bad" grift, precisely in the time when USA pivoted their target to Russia and dumped him lmao. I never heard about him between then and your mention now.

I read this 4 times and read "Redditors" as "Reuters" every time. Couldn't figure out where reuters came in

[-] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago

One of the best demonstrations of reddit astroturfing is to contrast the difference in the comment sections of 'political' posts on /r/nba that get 1k+ upvotes vs. those that don't.

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Or look at threads on political subs vs. threads elsewhere that have political topics organically pop up.

[-] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Let’s pretend that everything liberals say about china is true. Why bother lying about caring about human rights and democracy when the US has no problems working with countries like Saudi Arabia and the Philippines? I’d have more respect for lanyards if they’d simply admit they hate the idea of nonwhite countries surpassing them.

[-] ComradeLove@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

r/NBA has always been one of the good ones of Reddit.

[-] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

Zyklon Zenz does in fact post on reddit

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't use bad names like that, he merely wants them burnt...

[-] Dessa@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago

Where can I read more about how Zenz is full of shit? Im gearing up to do battle with libs over the factuality of the uyghur genocide

[-] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Great resource on Xinjiang here, including lots of specifics about Zenz and his blatant lies.

I was going to say to thank @robinn2@hexbear.net for putting that site together, but it looks like they wiped their account recently. madeline-sadeline

EDIT: There's lots more in this resource list post made by @iie@hexbear.net and the comments there.

[-] Shinji_Ikari@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Here's something I like to keep in my back pocket. Use the citation following technique to basically critique any article you find and shit becomes clear. Here's an old hexbear discussion too: https://hexbear.net/post/145820

Terror & Tourism: Xinjiang eases its grip, but fear remains

Snippets:

  • Ah yes, genocide via applying the same birth control policies across the board

Uyghur activists abroad accuse the Chinese government of genocide, pointing to plunging birthrates and the mass detentions.

The harder the government tried to control the Uyghurs, the more stubbornly many clung to their identity. A few resorted to violence, carrying out bombings and knifings against a state they believed would never accord them genuine respect.

Today, many checkpoints and police stations are gone and the bombings have stopped, but the racial divide remains clear.

James Leibold, a prominent scholar of Xinjiang ethnic policy, calls it the “museumification” of Uyghur culture. Chinese officials call it progress.

Google James Leibold

Jamestown Foundation

The Jamestown Foundation is a Washington, D.C.-based defense policy think tank.

Board of Directors

Jamestown’s board also includes Michael G. Vickers, who previously served as the Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and whose role at the Central Intelligence Agency during the Soviet–Afghan War was famously featured in George Crile’s 2003 book Charlie Wilson’s War.

Vickers became involved with Operation Cyclone, the CIA program to arm Islamist Mujahideen during the Soviet–Afghan War. He was the head military strategist for the US, coordinating an effort that involved ten countries and providing direction to forces made up of over 500,000 Afghan fighters

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