453

‘Dude, you were president’: Obama flings Trump’s line of attack right back at him (www.huffpost.com)

submitted 9 hours ago by MicroWave@lemmy.world to c/politics@lemmy.world

51 comments fedilink hide all child comments

Former President Barack Obama deconstructed some of Donald Trump’s playbook attacks while campaigning for Vice President Kamala Harris in Nevada on Saturday.

Speaking at a rally in Las Vegas, Obama accused the Republican presidential nominee and his running mate, Sen. JD Vance (Ohio), of leaning on scaremongering about immigration as an answer to any issue.

“If you challenge them, they’ll fall back on one answer. It does not matter what it is — housing, health care, education, paying for the bills — one answer: blame the immigrants,” he said.

“He wants you to believe that if you elect him, he will just round up whoever he wants and ship them out and all your problems will be solved,” he added.

He acknowledged that there’s a “real issue” at the border and elements of the system are “broken,” but criticized Trump’s approach.

“When I hear Donald Trump talk ... he’s very quick to say to Kamala, ‘Well, you were vice president for four years,’” he added. “Dude, you were president for four years!”

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[-] socsa@piefed.social 62 points 5 hours ago

I need Obama to start saying "bruh"

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 28 points 3 hours ago

I’m waiting for him to call someone a motherfucker

[-] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 1 points 29 minutes ago

Kamala came so close in the debate.

[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Well next time gandalf steals his bicycle we'll hear it.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

When did bruh replace dude? I can’t believe dude is out of fashion :(

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 hours ago

'bruh' is more incredulous, while 'dude' is more friendly

[-] rob_t_firefly@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Also, "dude" will still be "dude" in another 40 years while "bruh" will have faded from the lexicon and been replaced by a succession of a couple dozen other things.

[-] TwinTusks@bitforged.space 2 points 2 hours ago

dude, that can't be true.

[-] SleepyPie@lemmy.world 55 points 7 hours ago

“He couldn’t solve the problem because deep state.”

There is no zinger, no matter how truthful, that will penetrate the average republican voter’s weaponized schizophrenia.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 2 hours ago

If he can't do anything about this deep state as president, maybe there's no reason to vote for him.

[-] PapaStevesy@lemmy.world 1 points 44 minutes ago

If the deep state is as deep as he says then they're the ones who made home president the first time.

[-] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 4 hours ago

So the deep state is still there and now you're on the list.

[-] Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 hours ago

They've weaponized xenophobia too!

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 9 points 5 hours ago

Too? I think that’s their entire arsenal. No positive policies. Just fear mongering based on immigration.

[-] Imotali@lemmy.world 2 points 20 minutes ago

No they also use fascist fear mongering about democracy as well (literally trying to claim aren't a democracy and Trump openly saying he'd end elections)

[-] knobbysideup@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 hours ago

And stupidity

[-] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 74 points 8 hours ago

Don't you think he looks tired.

[-] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 21 points 7 hours ago

I wish that worked for men 😡

[-] Default_Defect@midwest.social 6 points 2 hours ago

I wish it wasn't construed as an insult, I look tired because I'm tired. I ask if you look tired because you show signs of being tired, I'm not saying you look like shit.

[-] xtr0n@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

There is some context that you are probably missing. This is a quote from a Dr Who episode where the Doctor uses 6 words to undermine the current prime minister’s administration.

https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/193743/how-did-the-doctor-take-harriet-jones-down-in-the-christmas-invasion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe5OynLQbJc

IRL I think it could be an insult or showing sincere concern, depending on the situation

[-] billwashere@lemmy.world 6 points 5 hours ago

I think my wife has said something similar. If someone said that to me I’d probably be like “yeah… I do need a long nap”.

[-] TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 5 points 4 hours ago

I've been told that. I usually am tired so it's not exactly surprising that I look that way.

[-] ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 14 points 7 hours ago

Keep repeating it over and over again and eventually it will.

[-] breadsmasher@lemmy.world 107 points 9 hours ago

does trump even remember he was president? i doubt he can remember last week

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 71 points 9 hours ago

I’m glad the Democratic establishment has Finally stopped affording him any respect.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 16 points 6 hours ago

They should have taken this approach 20+y ago

[-] somethingsnappy@lemmy.world 7 points 3 hours ago

44 years ago.

[-] Branch_Ranch@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago

Reagan ruined everything.

[-] seaQueue@lemmy.world 5 points 1 hour ago

Nixon certainly didn't help, that's when Republicans really ramped up stoking discord for political gain. Our decision to get involved and then dig ever deeper into the Vietnam shit sandwich derailed so much potential social progress.

[-] MyOpinion@lemm.ee 60 points 9 hours ago

A president that left countless people to die to a pandemic and recommended that they inject bleach. Trump is a monster.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 10 points 7 hours ago

And that was only a few of his many, many crimes in office.

[-] DogPeePoo@lemm.ee 22 points 9 hours ago

Trump is senile

[+] shalafi@lemmy.world -49 points 8 hours ago

He acknowledged that there’s a “real issue” at the border and elements of the system are “broken,”

If I say it, I get buried in down votes. Yes, we have a problem and it involves real people with real lives. Acting like the issue is 100% GOP bullshit isn't helping to either fix the issue or help these people.

For example, look at the downward trend for 2024. Well, that's good news isn't it? That's 100,000 people the Border Patrol encountered trying to get in, in a single month. We have to talk about how we are to employ, feed and shelter that many people. And they are constantly flowing in.

I have no idea how best to proceed, the logistics are boggling, but pretending nothing is happening is not a strategy.

[-] RattlerSix@lemmy.world 1 points 31 minutes ago

That 100,000 number is the number of border encounters, which counts people caught crossing illegally and people trying legally but being denied entry. While we don't have any way of knowing for sure, the apprehension rate was estimated at 78% in 2017-2020 and has quite possibly gone up a little since then. The 78% of people caught crossing is 100,000, the number of people actually crossing successfully is a lot lower.

[-] MegaUltraChicken@lemmy.world 66 points 8 hours ago

pretending nothing is happening is not a strategy

No one is pretending that nothing is happening. The Democratic Party has proposed a variety of solutions and the GOP has blocked 100% of them. Everyone recognizes there's a problem, but only one of the major parties is blocking progress on this specific issue.

You're getting down voted because you're giving credence to the GOP argument that this is somehow due to lack of action by the current administration. There's a problem with our immigration system AND the GOP is completely full of shit 100% of the time on immigration. Both are true.

[-] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 11 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I wonder how much the influx of immigrants has to do with the GOP falsely claiming 'the border is wide open, they're letting everyone in!' on an international stage at every opportunity for the past two decades.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago

I have no idea. I asked my Filipino wife how much American politics entered into her plans to come here. She told me that they're really not aware of the political situation, don't care, they just want to get here.

I find that hard to believe, but there's an anecdote, hell I know. We got a Honduran friend I'll ask. Doesn't speak a lick of English after 5-years stateside, but I'd be interested in what he can say. Cool note: That man walked for a month to get here. Probably getting away from homosexual persecution, whatever, he's a brave man.

[-] TunaCowboy@lemmy.world 0 points 52 minutes ago

I'm also interested in what your black friend and jewish coworker have to say, please let me know, thanks!

[-] match@pawb.social 8 points 8 hours ago

explain how this is a problem.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Uh, you can't see the issue with 100,000 lives pouring into a country in a single month? OK.

I'm from Tulsa, OK originally. Not exactly a cow town. You could fill that city in 4-months with that many people, and Tulsa has been around since 1836, not even 200-years. Or, fill Chicago in a little over 2-years (whew, that's some rough back-of-the-napkin math!)

Think a moment on the housing, food, sewage, power, water, etc. to provide for that many lives. It's staggering and we keep loading more and more and more. Our population has increased by 138 million since I was born. That's a 60% increase. You cool with the environmental and carbon increases?

But hey! Pretend it's not a problem. These people earn slave wages, pay taxes, get zero benefits, sound good? Don't hear libs complaining about any of that. Modern slavery by any other words.

[-] match@pawb.social -1 points 58 minutes ago

you don't care about a single one of those things you cute as problems. this is why your grandkids avoid you.

[-] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 21 points 8 hours ago

The lazy immigrants who don't work are taking all the jobs.

[-] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago

Day tok ma job!

[-] Tujio@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago

Goddamn welfare queens are trying to steal my job.

[-] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 8 points 6 hours ago

And eating all the dogs and getting all the gender affirming surgeries in prison.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 1 points 3 hours ago

I mean, I can see it being a logistical problem for the areas directly on the border if people that come in stay there instead of spreading across the country to avoid overtaxing local resources, but on the whole, one would think lots of people coming in would be a good thing. Immigration is what is keeping the country slowly growing instead of being in population decline the way many other countries are these days, and in general, more people does translate to more economic and military power as long as you can maintain the same per-capita economic conditions once they arrive. If anything, we should be trying to attract immigrants in my view

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 2 hours ago

Yes! We need immigrants, but the logistical problems are a little more than you dumb down. See my comment here. We're not slowly growing, we're bulging at the seams. And I haven't even touched on the environmental impacts of this population growth.

It's sticky as hell, and you seem to get that. Anyone with simple answers is just that, simple.

[-] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 2 points 2 hours ago

I mean, the thing with the environmental impacts of it is that these people already existed, so any increase in climate impact from them is driven not by actual population growth in a global sense, but in people here having a higher quality of life. We need to decouple that from carbon emissions of course, but in the meantime, I dont know that "Some people who were incredibly poor are now a bit less poor" is really the worst reason for an increase in climate impact. 100000 a month is a bit over million people a year, which sounds like a lot, but when the country has over 300 million people, that is in the ballpark of a third of a percent. That doesnt seem like very much to me. It seems silly to say the country is "bursting at the seams" or "we're full" as I sometimes hear people say in the same vein- when we have a lower average population density than the world as a whole. Countries like India and China manage well over 4 times that in a similar amount of space, and if we want to stay globally relevant in the long run in a world where there are countries with over a billion people that are rapidly developing economically, it seems to me that we would benefit from roughly similar numbers. If we can achieve this by allowing the impoverished from elsewhere to come, add the better aspects of their culture to ours like migrant groups have done before, and improve their quality of life while doing so (granted, actually treating immigrants to the standards we treat eachother is something we need to work on), that strikes me as win-win. Yes, population growth poses a strain on things like housing and public services, but we do have enough raw land, and the infrastructure is something that we can build, indeed, building it is itself something that can drive economic growth and job creation.

load more comments

this post was submitted on 21 Oct 2024

453 points (98.5% liked)

politics

19082 readers

3525 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive.
Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

• Register To Vote

• Citizenship Resource Center

• Congressional Awards Program

• Federal Government Agencies

• Library of Congress Legislative Resources

• The White House

• U.S. House of Representatives

• U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

• News