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[-] Asifall@lemmy.world 2 points 19 minutes ago

I bet you they can actually

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 7 points 37 minutes ago

The concern isn’t that these companies have microtargeting data. The concern is about what these companies could use that data for.

An off-brand t-shirt site would be a fairly ineffective vehicle for political propaganda. Tik Tok would be great at that.

[-] Cyberjin@lemmy.world 1 points 21 minutes ago

Yeah, better ban them all, don't see why not

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 3 points 36 minutes ago

TikTok literally got people to commit check fraud

[-] squid_slime@lemm.ee 29 points 19 hours ago

America selectively caring about privacy.

[-] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 4 points 49 minutes ago

The concern isn’t the input, it’s the potential output. Temu doesn’t have the potential to be used for a large micro-targeted political messaging campaign.

This is arguably more akin to how the US handles TV and radio. There are national security restrictions on foreign ownership.

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 18 hours ago

They care about companies they have less control over and a foreign adversary has more control over invading privacy, for reasons unrelated to seeing privacy as a good in itself.

[-] noxy@yiffit.net 26 points 18 hours ago

US tech companies too, you fucking cowards.

Facebook paid kids to install a VPN client on their smartphones so they could intercept AND DECRYPT traffic between competing services (like Snapchat, Amazon, Youtube)

facebook and any other company they acquire (or however they try to rebrand) are not only untrustworthy but active adversaries against common decency and basic privacy

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 18 points 20 hours ago

Is tiktok saying that all Chinese apps that steal our data are also stealing our data because they were designed to steal our data?!

I am SHOCKED.

[-] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 14 points 20 hours ago

You don't even need the word Chinese

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[-] aaaaace@lemmy.blahaj.zone 57 points 1 day ago

It's time to start taxing the acquisition, retention, and selling/trading of personal data.

Actually, that time was 40 years ago.

[-] Bertuccio@lemmy.world 1 points 31 minutes ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago)

Better solution.

Data are owned by the generator. Only they can sell it etc...

This also solves the privacy problem of law enforcement agencies applying warrants to phone companies etc. for access to your data, which has been an end-run around 4th Amendment rights for decades.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 8 points 20 hours ago

GDPR is a start, but we need to actually ban it, not just annoy people until they click Accept at the 20th popup of that tantalising offer to share your details with 1473 trusted data partners.

[-] TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Google and Microsoft would be scrambling to pay off every single person associated with that before it ever hit the first courtroom floor.

[-] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago

ohhh data collection taxation, I like it. You would think it would be a no-brainer but look at marijuana taxation and the continued resistance to rake in all that public funding. Would make most of the controversy around AI disappear if they tax it's collection.

[-] huzzahunimpressively@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago

What about Lenovo, Aliexpress, Xiaomi, Didi (It's famous in latam), BYD, NIO?

[-] archomrade@midwest.social 7 points 18 hours ago

Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit....

[-] x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com 62 points 1 day ago

"Good point, we'll ban all of them"

[-] Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 1 day ago

"Thanks for bringing it to our attention. You are now banned as well"

[-] Letme@lemmy.world 7 points 20 hours ago

Fine then, ban all the Chinese spy apps

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 8 points 19 hours ago

I'd rather they just ban spy apps in general...but that's a "dream a little dream, it's never gonna happen" type of thing.

[-] Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 points 20 hours ago

And all the CIA ones.

And then block all cookies and tracking.

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[-] Objection@lemmy.ml 3 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

This thread has made me realize that while I was watching the hearings on it purely for comedy aspect, there were actually people out there being like, "Yeah that makes sense."

Love it when the government takes away our stuff. Please, take away more of our stuff. Love me that security theater.

If you don't like the app, just don't use it. Nationalism is a hell of a drug.

This has nothing whatsoever to do with data security and everything to do with other social media companies lobbying to eliminate a competitor, using anti-China sentiment and fear-mongering as a justification. It's all about the money.

[-] AceFuzzLord@lemm.ee 3 points 17 hours ago

Good call. Let's ban them both.

[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago

Like Temu?

You mean like facebook and twitter.

[-] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 14 points 1 day ago

No, they love those, since that data goes to the US government instead of to the CCP

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

that data goes to the US government instead of to the CCP

Going to blow people's minds when they find out Temu data also goes to the US government and Facebook data also goes to the CCP.

This shit is just a commodity. It's auctioned off at the bid rate. The NSA doesn't just lay claim to this data, it buys it. And these Big Data companies are only handing it over because of the absurd margins NSA (and MI5 and the rest of the Five Eyes) directors are willing to pay.

Your data isn't any safer because the parent company is owned by a foreign plutocrat. This is a big club and you ain't in it.

[-] TheDarksteel94@sopuli.xyz 3 points 23 hours ago

Oh no, I'm not under any illusion that my data is safer with any of them lol. I'm just saying that that's why the US doesn't ban American social networks/companies. Because it's all about control.

[-] kelargo@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

Cambridge analytics

[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

They're right, we should regulate or ban then too.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Technically, the second partof that bill bans sending user data to China for all companies, so it's foreseeabke that they get fined into the dirt if nothing else.

I hope the Facebook multi-billion dollar fines act as precedent.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

it’s foreseeabke that they get fined into the dirt if nothing else.

Or they just route the sale of traffic through a domestic data broker and buy "analysis" on the Chinese side of the legal fence. There are so many badly policed and underregulated aspects of the data business that this shit never amounts to more than publicity stunts.

American trade with China only ever increases year-to-year, despite all the noise about a Trade War. Chinese based drop-shipping schemes only ever eat into our domestic market share, because American incomes are falling into line with the global average and that's the kind of trade good international middle class workers can afford. And all this shit is getting blended together - Indian and Chinese businesses outsource to Indochina and Malaysia and Indonesia where labor is cheaper. Everything gets routed and flagged through Singapore anyway, so the real origin of a good is obscured by the time it lands on your doorstep. And nobody in the business of making money wants to pay a politician to do anything about this in practice.

Nobody is getting fined, much less into-the-dirt.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Or they just route the sale of traffic through a domestic data broker and buy “analysis” on the Chinese side of the legal fence. There are so many badly policed and underregulated aspects of the data business that this shit never amounts to more than publicity stunts.

That is literally what Facebook was fined for, BEFORE the new laws were put in place. Cambridge Analytica did what you just described.

[-] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 15 points 1 day ago

Please ban them, I beg of you, please...

[-] aesthelete@lemmy.world 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

You can't spy on our citizens, that's our (and our corporations') job!

Signed, the US Government

[-] DahGangalang@infosec.pub 170 points 1 day ago

Oh no, now we have to ban them all?? What a shame!

/s

[-] Ilandar@aussie.zone 72 points 1 day ago

I'm surprised so many people think this is a good argument. TikTok is a social media platform. Temu is an online marketplace. The potential to cause disruption within US society is completely different.

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago

Legally it is a very good argument. A law targeting a single company in name or effect is literally unconstitutional. It's called a "Bill of Attainder".

The counter argument is indicting Facebook because they never stopped selling information directly to the CCP.

Cool, let's ban Temu then. Nothing of value will be lost.

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[-] potentiallynotfelix 89 points 1 day ago

But you can't charge me with murder! That guy committed it too!

[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 29 points 1 day ago

The argument here is more along the lines of, "you can't make a law that defines something as murder only when I do it."

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[-] Fedizen@lemmy.world 47 points 1 day ago

selective enforcement of the law is a real issue. One of the reasons Donald Trump will likely never go to jail is the failure to prosecute nixon, reagan (iran contra, iran hostage crisis meddling), and Bush/Cheney(wmd fiasco)

[-] Petter1@lemm.ee 10 points 1 day ago

And one of the reasons POC are more likely go to jail (or even gets shot) for something a white man would be let free with only a warning… At least in the “free” land.

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