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submitted 1 day ago by MyOpinion@lemm.ee to c/evs@lemmy.world

Even with the new 100% tariff on electric vehicles imported from China, BYD would still have the cheapest EV in the US. According to a new report, BYD’s lowest-priced EV would still undercut all US automakers at under $25,000.

After discontinuing the production of vehicles powered entirely by internal combustion engines in March 2022, BYD has been at the forefront of the industry’s shift to EVs.

Honestly in my opinion it is time to remove all tariffs on EVs under 25k and let anyone who wants to fill that slot in. American car manufacturers refuse to fill the market need.

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[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 3 points 40 minutes ago

If I were in the US, I would hold out for the Aptera.

[-] erenkoylu@lemmy.ml 4 points 4 hours ago

I just bought a BYD for my parents here in İstanbul. Very satisfied with it so far.

[-] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 18 points 12 hours ago

I have a BYD Seal here in Australia. You yanks are missing out

[-] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

I'll take interest when their labor practices are closer to humane and further from indentured servitude.

[-] porl@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I really want the Dolphin but I definitely am in no way near being able to afford it yet.

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

Oh yeah? Wheres your carrier battle group, bub?

[-] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 2 points 5 hours ago

You guys will protect us, we give you Pine Gap

[-] Agent641@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

We will protect Pine Gap 🙃

[-] Ohmmy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 9 hours ago

We miss out on so much from the rest of the world but we have so many pridefully ignorant people that will die on any hill that might improve our lives.

I'd personally love to have more than 0 weeks of government required paid time off, sick days, the top reason for bankruptcy not be medical bills, and no more mass shootings but I will most likely be dead before any of that happens.

[-] KellysNokia@lemmy.world 14 points 16 hours ago

Fun fact. The ten most "American-made" cars of 2023 are:

Tesla Model Y
Tesla Model 3
Tesla Model X
Tesla Model S
Honda Passport
Volkswagen ID.4
Honda Odyssey
Acura MDX
Honda Ridgeline
Acura RDX

Hmmm, something seems to be missing... 🤔

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 7 points 10 hours ago

Mercedes, Audi and BMW?

I'm sure they're right around the corner, pretty close to the top 10.

Oh, you meant Ford, GM and Chryslerdaimlerfiatstellantis?

Yeah nah, as true patriots, they produce in other countries so Americans would pay for the cars, but not be paid to build them.

[-] IMALlama@lemmy.world 7 points 15 hours ago

For better or worse, there are multiple ways of measuring "American Made". An alternate measure, which probably matters more in this conversation, is "how many people that worked on are American residents". Here's a study that tries to rank each model by how much it contributes to the US economy

The vast majority of the development (engineering, planning, purchasing/supply chain, quality, after sales, etc) effort for Honda and VW is overseas, along with most other non-domestic brands. This extends beyond their own employees to their tier 1s. Many OEMs use suppliers that are located geographically close to their development centers.

None of this excuses the domestic OEMs for their abandonment of cars, their endless march to higher and higher average transaction price, or their quality records.

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[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 23 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Why did Ford dump all of the models that offered a variety of price points ?

Because they could afford to be profitable and not care about 90% of the US consumer body.

Same with GM and Dodge RAM. They quit making lots of cars to save money for themselves. And now the US has betrayed the US consumer again pushing a green agenda while maintaining OIL hegemony in vehicles for the masses.

Now we have fewer types of vehicles, lower inventory, higher prices, 10 year car loans, and restrictions on getting the green vehicles that we were encouraged to want. American Dream has become the American Delusion.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

It's the same cycle we had from back in 2002, under the Bush Hummer tax cut. Government subsidized light trucks and made gasoline artificially cheap, so people went out and bought these enormous vehicles and dumped millions of gallons into them for power.

Then 2008 hits, gas prices go vertical, car loans go bust, and the Big 3 are out begging for bailouts. Obama delivers (while Mitt Romney signs his own death warrant in Michigan by telling Detroit to go bankrupt) and rides a popular wave of support for saving the American auto industry from itself. But he doesn't bother to do any kind of regulation or curb the consumption of fossil fuels, because that would make soccer moms still driving their 10 ton vehicles sad.

Then the bubble pops in 2020 thanks to COVID and everyone runs into receivership again and we've got to flood the zone with taxpayer bailout money.

But that's okay, because COVID actually gave us cheap gasoline again! So we get another era of cheap gasoline and big cars and a brand new automotive industry bubble.

Gee, I hope history doesn't repeat itself.

[-] bane_killgrind@slrpnk.net 1 points 10 hours ago

:/ sorry bro

[-] boonhet@lemm.ee 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The funny thing is y'all in the US still have a better selection of vehicles available than we do in Europe, it's just mostly not from American marques.

I recently got my hands on a USDM Subaru. It has more options than the EU spec one so I figured I'd look at the US Subaru website and yup, even for current model years, they have WAY more options available in terms of both models and trims. Y'all still get the WRX sedan, we only get the Impreza hatchback with a naturally aspirated engine. We don't get the Ascent either.

You guys also get things like the Toyota 4-runner, Volkswagen Atlas, etc in terms of SUVs that are pretty big, but not gigantic.

[-] Bosht@lemmy.world 34 points 1 day ago

Yeah, as with most things in the US currently, prices are artificially inflated. They're doing this because they're trying to keep up the facade that 'these are just the new prices cuz inflation' when it's painfully apparent that it's not. They're trying to pocket as much of our money as possible and they know if competition is introduced they'll be forced to cut into those sweet sweet greedflation profits. I'm honestly never going to buy another US made vehicle if I can help it. My next vehicle will more than likely be foreign electric, and seeing this post just solidifies I've made the right decision.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 7 points 21 hours ago

And these Chinese vehicle prices are artificially deflated.

They're trying to pocket as much of our money as possible and they know if competition is introduced they'll be forced to cut into those sweet sweet greedflation profits.

I'm honestly never going to buy another US made vehicle if I can help it. My next vehicle will more than likely be foreign electric

I don't really follow this line of logic. You state that companies here are artificially inflating their prices but then state that you'll buy a foreign brand electric, which is going to be one of the exact same companies that you accuse of inflating prices. There are only a handful of US car makers, GM, Ford, and Tesla, and only 1 of those 3 put out EVs in any meaningful quantity.

[-] Bosht@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

What is it you're not understanding? Honest question, no sarcasm. I'm stating I won't buy a US vehicle, and my next will most likely be a foreign electric. Did I state something false because US manufacturers aren't meeting a threshold of electric vehicles produced? Market is shifting to electric, which means even if they aren't now, they'll probably lean into electric in the coming years. Again though, no relation to either of the statements I made.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 5 points 19 hours ago

Because all those foreign manufacturers are already selling their vehicles here and for comparable prices to the tiny share of remaining US companies that still exist (GM, Ford, Tesla). If you think these high prices are just US companies being greedy, then how do you explain VW, Hyundai, Kia, Toyota, etc selling their cars for the same price?

[-] roguetrick@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

In reality it's all about the battery manufacture. It's the most expensive component and BYD is vertically integrated (they even mine their own lithium, they are a huge battery manufacturer in their own right and sell cells to other companies to make cars) and has done extensive research on making it cheap with their BYD blade. Nobody can afford to compete with them, but it's not because they're getting subsidies. It's because they're a company that's built completely different when you compare it to buying batteries from third parties.

The cry foul that people make is no company would've survived in building that sort of initial vertical integration without the government propping them up. That's right, but I don't see the US trying to develop an industry that even compares.

[-] ShepherdPie@midwest.social 2 points 14 hours ago

This is obviously false as Tesla has their own battery factories and still can't sell that cheap, Korea has Samsung and LG manufacturing batteries on a comparable scale and Hyundai/Kia can't sell that cheap, Japan has (partnered with Tesla) Panasonic and can't sell that cheap. China is heavily subsidizing these vehicles. You can't sell an equivalent car for less than half the competition, tens of thousands of dollars cheaper, just because you happen to be vertically integrated in manufacturing a big part of the car.

[-] TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 5 points 19 hours ago

like how the cost of gas is artificially deflated in the USA ?

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