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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 67 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

They're traveling away from their origin at constant velocities, so they're traveling relative to each other at constant velocities as well.

The magnitude of the resulting vector (i.e., speed) can be calculated trivially since their movement is perpendicular on a plane, as the root of sum of squares, which many could recognize as the Pythagorean theorem:

√((5 ft/s)² + (1 ft/s)²) = √26 ft/s ≈ 5.1 ft/s

You can verify this by finding that their average speed apart is the same at all times (for all t > 0):

Vavg = √((t * 5 ft/s)² + (t * 1 ft/s)²) / t = √(t² * ((5 ft/s)² + (1 ft/s)²)) / t = √26 ft/s

[-] key@lemmy.keychat.org 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Don't forget to calculate the location where everything about them began and then include the curvature of Earth considering the latitude of said location into your speed calculation.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 33 points 2 months ago

No, they're spherical children in a vacuum.

[-] answersplease77@lemmy.world 13 points 2 months ago

for approximation we can assume that the boy is a point mass and the girl is a lie

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 5 points 2 months ago

Oh, so we have to calculate the gravitational attraction pulling them back. Fucking hell

[-] Hamartia@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Augustus! Save some room for later.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_geometry

I couldn't find 'potatoy geometry' for a better approximation of earth.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

You'll note that I already assumed that they were on a plane, not the surface of a sphere.

[-] Randelung@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I'm also noting the stick up your ass. 🙄

If the potato remark and subreddit don't tip you off that I was being flippant, I don't know what will.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

No, the stick would be a one-dimensional line.

[-] De_Narm@lemmy.world 40 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

It's been a while, but I think it's quite trivial.

After one second, they span a right angled triangle, therefore (using a² + b² = c²) their distance is √(5²+1²) = ~5.1 ft

They move at constant speed, therefore they seperate at 5.1 ft/s. That means at 5s it's just 5.1 × 5 = 25.5 ft for the distance and their speed is still the same.

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

~~They each move at a constant speed, but the distance between them doesn't increase at a constant pace. See my other comment.~~

Edit: I am dumb, and looked at the wrong number.

[-] De_Narm@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm trying to apply the most simple math possible and it seems to add up.

After one second, their distance is √(5² + 1²) = ~5.1 ft

After two seconds, their distance is √(10² + 2²) = ~10.2 ft

After three seconds, it's √(15² + 3²) = ~15.3 ft

As speed is the rate of change of distance over time, you can see it's a constant 5.1 ft/s. You're free to point out any error, but I don't think you need anything more than Pythagoras' theorem.

The question specifically asks for their seperation speed at 5s to ignore any initial change in their speed as they first need to accelerate at the beginning, I'd assume.

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 7 points 2 months ago

Ah sorry, I'm tired and made a mistake. I quickly made a spreadsheet (because keeping track of numbers is hard), and I was looking at the wrong column in the sheet. My bad!

[-] OrnateLuna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 months ago

You were tired so you made a spreadsheet to calculate the differential equation quiz from a meme?

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 3 points 2 months ago

Yes, compared to doing the calculations in my head lol

I work in mysterious ways

[-] booly@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago

I don't see why the distance between them isn't growing at a constant speed.

At any given time t seconds after separation, the boy is 5t north, and the girl is 1t east. The distance between them is defined by the square root of ((5t)^2 + (t)^2 ), or about 5.099t.

In other words, the distance between them is simply a function defined as 5.099t, whose first derivative with respect to time is just 5.099.

[-] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 39 points 2 months ago

Depends on where they met each other. If they for example fell in love during the main event of a trip to the north pole, that would change things a lot.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 18 points 2 months ago

there is no north at the north pole so actually that's the one place it can't be

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 13 points 2 months ago

If you're at the south pole, would every direction count as north?

[-] Bumblefumble@lemm.ee 7 points 2 months ago

Sure, but there is a north say 30 ft away from the north pole.

[-] Missmuffet@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

Its pretty convenient that its raining, which means you can ignore the coefficient of friction since the surface is slippery

[-] itsnotits@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

It's* pretty convenient that it's* raining

[-] I_am_10_squirrels@beehaw.org 30 points 2 months ago

Differential calculus? That looks more like algebra. Their speed is constant.

[-] Teppic@piefed.social 8 points 2 months ago

I agree, it is not calculus, it's trigonometry.

[-] havid_dume@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

Each of their speeds is constant, but different, and they're walking in different directions.

[-] luciole@beehaw.org 12 points 2 months ago

Their distance is the hypotenuse of a triangle with sides 5t and t which will be root((5t)^2^ + t^2^). So the distance at time t of the ex lovers will be root(26) × t. You can basically grasp intuitively that the speed is indeed constant and equals to the root(26)=5.1 ft/sec. Technically you’d use the derivative power rule to drop the t and get the speed.

[-] luciole@beehaw.org 17 points 2 months ago

Look. Teachers have some unresolved shit as well.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 13 points 2 months ago

It doesn't matter what the actual answer is; to both the boy and the girl it feels like C.

[-] thecheddarcheese@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 2 months ago

reminds me of that one song, proof that geometric construction can solve all love affairs or something like that

[-] nao@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

what

[-] someguy3@lemmy.world 12 points 2 months ago

Who hurt the math teacher?

[-] dasgewisseextra@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 months ago

9,14 Meter

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The question states "how fast", not "how far", thus you need to give the acceleration at that moment.

At t=0, the boy and girl both haven't moved, so their positions are 0. The distance between them is also 0, as is their acceleration.

The boy's distance in meters is t*1.524, the girl's distance is t*0.3048. The distance between them is sqrt( b^2 * g^2 ). The velocity is the current distance minus the previous distance.

At t=1, b=1.524m, g=0.305, d=sqrt( g^2 * g^2 )=0.465, v=d-d^(t-1)=0.465m/s.

At t=5, b=7.62, g=1.524, d=11.613, and v=4.181m/s.

Edit: fixed markdown

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Velocity is not the difference between distances.

[-] ji17br@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

It’s the difference of distances apart over time. Aka how fast bf is moving away from gf, aka what the question is asking for.

Yes, if you want to be pedantic, velocity a vector with direction, so I guess you’d have to frame the question relative to either the boyfriend or girlfriend, but I don’t think the difference between speed and velocity is part of the question.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Speed is just the magnitude of velocity.

My point is that OC was completely missing the mark by not properly accounting for time.

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 2 points 2 months ago

Hi, I made this in 5 mins because I was bored, but it's late and I'm tired, so could you please explain what I would have to fix in my comment?

[-] ji17br@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

You want to figure out distance per second. One way to do this is calculate distance apart at t=0,1,2…

The difference between each point would be the average speed over that second.

Using sqrt(b^2+g^2):

t0 = 0 t1 = 1.554m
s1 = (1.554m-0m)/1s = 1.554m/s t2 = 3.108m
s2=(3.108m-1.554m)= 1.554m/s

As you continue this you will see they travel at a constant speed apart from each other. The reason this is working is because you need to divide distance by time. Dividing by 1 second won’t change the value of the number after you subtract. If you notice you can do (t2-t0)/2s and also get the same answer.

[-] dabaldeagul@feddit.nl 1 points 2 months ago

Ahhh okay, thanks

[-] ji17br@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

My mistake, I didn’t check his math. I thought he was saying if you take distance apart at t(n) and subtract distance apart at t(n-1) you will get distance/sec.