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[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But then i wouldn't be around sadness

But....then i wouldn't be around lea-happy

[–] aaro@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

but then you wouldn't be around deeper-sadness

To the rhythm of "Fullmetal Alchemist"

[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, the missile gap was way too large at that point. USSR would have been totally destroyed while the USA would probably still exist. Western Europe would be toast though...

[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

When you're right, you're right.

[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 18 points 1 year ago

Yeah yeah, and the paris commune should have marched on versailles we know /s

[–] Skeleton_Erisma@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

CMV.. commercial motor vehicle?

clueless (bear with me I'm getting trained to drive a bus)

[–] SacredExcrement@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

I mean, yeah

If it was certain to be a Dien Bien Phu-esque operation, then goddamn he should've...

[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fidel wanted to but cornman was a coward

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Did Fidel actually want to or just want to have them defensively?

I know Che was all about nuclear accelerationism though. I thought they disagreed.

[–] ComradeRat@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Screenshots from Fidel's autobiography, tldr (at least as I read it) is that Fidel wanted Cornman to nuke the US if there was any invasion of Cuba.

Fidel wrote to cornman on 26 october (27 october in russia) telling him to send nukes if he thinks an invasion is going to happen

Cornman wrote back on the 28th, basically telling fidel to chill bc he wants peace

And Fidel wrote again to Cornman the same day telling him that he will not chill cuba is in danger

Cornman replied on the 30th with a lotta platitudes (Cornman thought he won the missile crisis lol) but most relevant here is him saying fidel's "send the nukes" idea was wrong

Fidel's reply (Oct. 31) shows what he thought of Cornman's 'victory':

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you!

That was helpful. Yeah, it seems he didn't want preemptive strikes but defensive or retaliatory was more his style, which matches what I remembered.

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep, Fidel was super-pissed when cornman pulled the missiles out without telling him (as was part of the deal with kennedy), and it strained Cuba-USSR relations for a while. Its hard to fault any party there tho, planetary nuclear annihalation avoided.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

I agree, as much as I dislike cornman, I can't really blame him either.

[–] mars@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Castro did send a message to Moscow indicating he was willing to sacrifice the island to nuke the US, but I think it's pretty clear he was just frustrated with the fact that the USSR and US weren't involving Cuban leadership enough in general, and was basically just trying to get Moscow's attention. At least that's what I remember, it's been a long time since I read about it though

[–] muad_dibber@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well not "sacrifice", but more defense as per the logic of mutually assured destruction. IE, If you nuke me, you suffer the consequences of also getting nuked, so don't you dare.

[–] mars@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah totally, I worded that weird

[–] Hewaoijsdb@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago
[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

No one will CYV here, comrade.