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He's guaranteed to lose now. I can't see a universe where the mental gymnastics add up to deciding that this is a good idea. Don't get me wrong, it'd be funny as hell. But I'm really not looking forward to the idea of more Trump.

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[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 63 points 4 months ago

The whole "family members as advisors" thing is really making me want to watch the biden admin arrested development spinoff

[-] elpaso@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"Hunter convicted? Thank God he isn't on the ballot, I'd never vote for him!"

I love it when a snarky neolib gets put in their place lol.

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

I love it when a snarky neolib gets put in their place lol.

If only they were capable of learning from it

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 52 points 4 months ago
[-] coeliacmccarthy@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

fed the democracy the doodoo

[-] ClimateChangeAnxiety@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

This is what I was holding to for a long time but then watching them all panic this week made me question it

Like, I thought you all knew! I thought you knew he was a vegetable and was going to lose and were just fine with that because you want to lose. But if that was the plan why freak out now?

[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 50 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Iron law of institutions. Joe Biden is merely a vehicle to power. Retiring Biden sidelines all the leeches and lampreys which have become attached to his gooch throughout his 60 year career in law and politics. All those people hold power today, and will not loosen their grasp one bit for the potental of having a more stable grasp on power tomorrow. Especially if their nepotism and personal connections don't promise a cushy high salary do-nothing job under a new administration.

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 35 points 4 months ago

Joe Biden is merely a vehicle to power. Retiring Biden sidelines all the leeches and lampreys which have become attached to his gooch throughout his 60 year career in law and politics.

Absolutely. 100-com

It's worth pointing out that his junior advisors have only been on board since pre-9/11. His most senior advisors were around for segregation, and thought Apartheid South Africa was cool and good.

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 22 points 4 months ago

This is partly why I suspect that this might be a generational factionalism in the Democratic machinery.

The old(est) guard and the functionally apolitical consultant/finance lanyards who honestly do just as well or better when the dems aren't in power. With the young(er) generation and B-tier of operatives now realising that the damage being done, to the party and the recent supreme court decision etc, might be too much to simply wait for their turn

In a way, it feels like it mirrors some of the divisions within the capital class itself. There's the bullish types who basically seem to accept that growth and the climate are fucked, and are now trying to rip the copper wiring out of the walls of the global economy while they can since they likely won't be around when it tips into collapse. And then there's the equally self-interested 'activist' capital class looking to keep the game going with green tech and new models for economic extraction etc because they want their gilded age too but know the old models won't last long enought for them to get theirs.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 21 points 4 months ago

The old(est) guard and the functionally apolitical consultant/finance lanyards who honestly do just as well or better when the dems aren't in power. With the young(er) generation and B-tier of operatives now realising that the damage being done, to the party and the recent supreme court decision etc, might be too much to simply wait for their turn

This is part of why I think there's a huge liberal panic about how Trump being president again will destroy all of democracy or whatever. Because part of the Project 2025 stuff involves firing vast leagues of lanyard dorks and replacing them with hogs. Who knows if that would actually happen, but that's mostly afraid of losing their jobs.

[-] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

Exactly. It's not about 'democracy'. It's about the right building a fortress within power structure of the country that excludes the bipartisan/democrat lanyard class.

[-] HamManBad@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

That's the sliver of vote that lives within me. From a Marxist perspective, is a state full of Democrat lanyards better than a state full of rabidly anti-worker chud lanyards, so that labor can organize with fewer legal barriers? Or would unmasking the state as an explicitly bourgeois institution help radicalize the working class and heighten the contradictions? Is there necessarily a "better" option relating to the ideological composition of the state, or is it irrelevant because of the fundamental bourgeois nature of the state regardless of who the lanyards are?

[-] axont@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

Or would a state full of chud lanyards be so incompetent that organizing would be easier? I guess we'll find out since none of this is really in our control in the first place. Full machinations of capital

[-] HamManBad@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

Don't underestimate them, there are plenty of competent fascists out there. Or at least, they aren't more incompetent than the average liberal dork

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[-] JayTwo@hexbear.net 41 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)
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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 33 points 4 months ago

It seems like the only people who can get access to him are a clique of his immediate family and long time advisors. There doesn't seem to be an actual political party in the conventional sense. We're dealing with weird dynastic politics and power cliques.

So, it sounds like it's not so much "they", the dnc, are going to run him again, as that Jill and Hunter are going to run him again, and the rest of us can hang if it means Hunter gets some pardons or whatever it is they believe they're doing.

It's all fucked, there's nothing resembling a democratic process or even an organization behind this.

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

There doesn't seem to be an actual political party in the conventional sense.

This seems like it has larger ramifications

[-] TechnoUnionTypeBeat@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago

maybe-later-kiddo we can't worry about that right now, maybe when there's not a freakin Cheeto who's going to destroy all of democracy! Then we can maybe talk about the late Holy Roman Empire dynasty holding onto power (but if you try and talk about it we'll scold you as a Russian shill)

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[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago

It's the most beneficial for the DNC. They raise more money under Trump as a "resistance party" without appearing like they are intentionally tanking their chances. If they win, they can continue to generally do nothing and let the bourgeoisie have their way, if they lose, they can fundraise better than before and run a "better" candidate next time, ie an Obama-type.

Putting someone new as the frontrunner introduces too many variables for the DNC. They should do it, but they likely won't.

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[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 29 points 4 months ago

They're not actually going to run Crooked Hillary now right? Like, they can't actually believe she'll have a chance.

I personally believe they absolutely will

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

Oh god I hope so. That would be so fuckin funny.

[-] riseuppikmin@hexbear.net 26 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All indications are currently that Joe is the guy (closest advisors seemingly being his family- Jill is the most important and she seems especially delusional) Obama and Bill Clinton's public support for him).

I think we're in a two week period where he could be replaced but it only happens if swing state polling being done looks worse than terrible (aka losing outside of the margin of error in at least 3 of 5 swing states or any 2 of the Midwest). The only way this happens is through an organized donor revolt.

My guess is he's the nominee unless he dies which I think is also a very real possibility. Funniest timeline is he somehow weathers a donor revolt and then the October surprise is "Joe Biden dies from covid."

[-] tactical_trans_karen@hexbear.net 15 points 4 months ago

I've been around too many old folks dying to have confidence that he'll drop dead - people are resilient. Some rando schmuck getting pumped full of amphetamines like him would, but he's got the best healthcare in the world. At least it seems like the donors were already revolting half way through the debate...

[-] ryepunk@hexbear.net 13 points 4 months ago

He'll go out give the best debate of his lib life, everyone will be restored in his ability to win the election, and then whoops that cocktail of drugs just made his heart explode and he's dead. The DNC will likely resort to necromancy and have a mumbling zombie as the president before they try a different candidate though.

[-] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 4 months ago

We could have an actual Weekend at Bernie's zombie candidate and libs will still say "if you don't vote for the puppeted corpse you are destroying democracy for the entire world"

[-] fox@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

They're saying right now they'd rather vote for Biden's corpse than for Trump, which kind of gives away that they don't give a shit about politics anyways

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[-] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

"Joe Biden dies from covid."

Always Sunny theme music plays

[-] Thordros@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago

My guess is he's the nominee unless he dies

That can be arranged.

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[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 4 months ago

Man's got a whole medieval fiction epithet at this point. "Genocide Joe, the Sundowner".

[-] goose@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

This name is next to a boss health bar that’s mostly empty at the start of the encounter

[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 12 points 4 months ago

A giant health bar that starts out empty is hilarious

[-] What_Religion_R_They@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

https://youtu.be/eIpJmdxnP1E?t=106 starts playing but it's the recorder cover

[-] emizeko@hexbear.net 16 points 4 months ago

from supporting sundown towns to sundowning

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

Sundowner was a war criminal villain in Metal Gear Rising thonk

[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 4 months ago

Mr. "Just like the good ol' days after 9/11" 😂

[-] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 20 points 4 months ago

Jill Biden's in the most recent edition of Vogue talking about how much she likes the trappings of power, such as motorcades: https://x.com/pashedmotatos/status/1807768639824695362

the dems are cooked, the lich king and his queen aren't stepping down from the sickest rank and power they've ever experienced, the VP was dogshit in comparison and they're gonna do whatever they can to ride the motorcade into the sunset

[-] jaywalker@hexbear.net 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Is Jill Biden actually saying that because I can't be bothered to read this entire article, but the author is the one writing about motorcades in the opening paragraph. It's not a quote or anything

Edit: that twitter account seems incredibly right wing and probably is trying to make that article seem worse than it is. I understand the desire to dislike Biden, but this seems like misinformation

[-] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 19 points 4 months ago

She never said that in the article tho.

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[-] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 18 points 4 months ago

they don't care. they can see it coming and anyone with the power to force him to step down is okay with that.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 16 points 4 months ago

It makes me think of Macron calling for snap elections when it was obvious his coalition would lose.

Maybe they know the crash is coming and want to leave their rivals holding the bag? Then they get to punish the voters for being unruly and not obediently holding to the center, and they're already blaming the left for losing power so they can use this to boost their own support while trashing their other rivals.

Stupid 4D chess bullshit. 👍

[-] asg101@hexbear.net 11 points 4 months ago

the crash is coming and want to leave their rivals holding the bag

This is the most likely motivation for sticking with the Lich , as well as the massive DNC fundraising boost a tRump II would cause.

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[-] john_browns_beard@hexbear.net 14 points 4 months ago

Anyone in the party with the power to get the ball rolling on replacing Biden will be, at worst, completely unaffected personally by another Trump presidency. In most cases, it would be financially beneficial for them.

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[-] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 10 points 4 months ago

Crazy how Sundown Joe can refer to either his mental state or his political views.

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

Liberal optimism really is adorable. Like a child saying he wants to be a dinosaur when he grows up.

[-] Black_Mald_Futures@hexbear.net 9 points 4 months ago

Ohhhhh heeee's runnin!

[-] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They will because the dem's job isn't to win elections.

[-] Vampire@hexbear.net 7 points 4 months ago
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[-] SwitchyWitchyandBitchy@hexbear.net 6 points 4 months ago

Who's they? Isn't Biden the supreme leader of the Democratic party at this point? We've been hearing that the oligarchs have been urging him to reconsider but if he doesn't drop out he must be the candidate.

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