"But but..... what about shareholder value?"
And God said go forth and multiply profits for the pharaohs, priests and tax collectors.
And kill the firstborn (who are my children, whom I love) of every tribe member (who are my children, whom I love) because the tribe's leaders (who are my children, whom I love) were big meanies to my chosen children (whom I love the mostest)!
>"Nothing justifies genocide."
>Proceeds to make arguments justifying genocide
I have no idea how you could possibly think this supports your position on things.
If Major Kira was living under a government that offered no alternative to genocide, she'd take up a phaser and start killing government officials, you know, like she literally did, in the show. She'd never condone someone who supported genocide, even if it meant resorting to violent opposition instead.
Proceeds to make arguments justifying genocide
"Justifying genocide is when you oppose genocide, and the more you oppose it, the more you justify it" - Very Serious Lemmings
Alternatively, "The prospect of an eventual violent revolution justifies genocide" - Very Serious Lemmings
Or more realistically, "I think that the prospect of virtue signaling without affecting government policy justifies genocide, because that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside" - Very Serious Lemmings
That's the part these fucks don't understand. Accusing me of supporting genocide because I'm voting against a fascist doesn't make me question if I'm secretly pro-genocide and I don't even know it, it makes me question if they are a real person engaging me seriously or just more bad faith online accounts.
Keep riling the tankies, I enjoy it.
Despite the trolls accusing people here of justifying it- I do t see anyone here is doing that. I’m pretty sure they know this, and this is what makes it hard to call them out for what they are doing. It’s like arguing with Christians.
They just misinterpret your words, rewrite them using their English-to-Troll filter, and shout them back at you once they say essentially the opposite of what you’re saying.
Example:
ME: “of course I don’t support genocide. But not voting for Biden isn’t going to stop it, and Donald ‘finish the job’ Trump is going to be far worse on Palestine than Biden could ever be!”
TROLL: “See! You support gEnOciDe!”
Now, you could accuse me of doing exactly what I’m accusing them of, but I’d urge you to look through my recent comment history. Somewhere between yesterday and today- you can see this exact thing happening.
The point is. From what I can see, NO ONE here is supporting genocide. The ones in other communities that do, get banned pretty quickly. And anyone that is accusing people of it, are proving to everyone that they aren’t here to discuss things rationally- because they’re starting from a complete and total lack of rationale.
Time Traveller from 1993 (when this episode aired): "So, what's 2024 like?"
"If you say you won't support genocide, you get accused of being a Russian asset."
Whichever way you vote, this will continue to happen. Sobering thought, eh?
This isn't totally true, but it's partially true. If Trump wins the American election, he will double down support for Israel and completely write off all those who oppose them as terrorists.
Biden is just kind of apologetically supporting them because he's a weak leader that can't afford to rock the boat. He does weakly push back often, it's just nowhere near what we want or need.
If Biden actually wins the election, he may actually end American support. I'm of the opinion he's afraid of offending democrats and independents that support Israel, thus losing him the election (since he's barely ahead in the polls.) Most of us are still going to vote for him despite this, because Trump is far worse... You can't say that about the people who support Isreal.
Biden is just kind of apologetically supporting them because he’s a weak leader that can’t afford to rock the boat ... If Biden actually wins the election, he may actually end American support
No, he is ideologically committed to supporting Israel. He has said this multiple times and I see no reason to disbelieve him. I think it's equally likely Trump would stop supporting Israel because of America First/antisemitism, which is to say, so unlikely as to be impossible.
Biden is the #1 whore of israel. He's been sucking their dick for his entire career.
There are no quick solutions or permanent victories, unfortunately. Which is why civic education is so important, and so frustratingly undertaught.
I think I could find it in me to justify geocide of the Jem'Hadar.
(Since this is not a Star Trek board: The Jem'Hadar are a genetically engineered race, made by the Dominion. Their purpose is to be ruthless soldiers. They are engineered without emotions, or any care for human-like values, and so they inevitably have no sense of ethics. They are managed in two ways: first, the need for a drug-like protein that only the Dominion can synthesize; and second, a predisposition to recognize the Founders of the Dominion as their slavemasters.)
But any race, even a race with a proven tendency to be assholes, like the Cardassians, deserves a chance.
As for Palestinians, it's not even close. They should obviously be considered innocent civilians. If I were to make inferences about who was the more evil race based on the current war, I would be much more likely to pick Israelis because of their current kill count of civilians.
But we don't make such inferences. They're all humans. They're way more closely related than Bajorans vs Cardassians. They all evolved on the same planet, are the same species, with a very recent common ancestor. It's due to their upbringing, education, and circumstances that Hamas and IDF both wish to commit genocide, and it's due to external funding that IDF has been more successful at it.
You need a revisit of DS9.
Jem'hadar had their own set of internal rules and even disagreements on how to interpret or execute orders. The drug was used to ensure absolute control because they could evolve in a cultural or spiritual sense.
The Jem'Hadar were capable of going against their programming once their Ketracel addiction was treated. You don't need genocide.
I am shocked and appalled by this grotesque show of antisemitism. Shocked and appalled I tell ya!
EDIT: /s...obviously
OP who has been spam posting pro Biden memes for the past month in this sub
You can say that all you want as long as you accept you have to vote for it.
Let me put it this way - there's no justification for what Israel is doing or our continued support of Israel. There's also no justification for welcoming fascism into the US.
This whole shitshow is a stain on our souls, collectively and individually. It's all we can do to make the least bad choice, and then work towards it not being forced on us again.
Then we can enjoy some entirely new and unforeseen shitshow to torment us.
It's shitshows and stains on your soul until you die.
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