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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 100 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I hope everyone that keeps down voting me for talking about WW3 are right...

But man, it really is starting to look like WW3

[–] Carrolade@lemmy.world 44 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To me it looks like N Korea wanting to acquire some direct combat experience to continue to develop their skills and capabilities.

But yes, personally I was not expecting this.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Skill acquired: cannon fodder

[–] Chainweasel@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

They didn't start calling WWII what it is until 1944, but I think we can all agree it didn't start in 1944.
Just like later historians placed the start of WWII on multiple different events depending on which country you're in, the start of World War III will be long before we start calling it that.
I'm in the camp that the start of WW3 will be the Russian invasion of Ukraine if things continue to escalate the way they're going, because that's when you really started seeing lines being drawn between the axis and allies.
Russia, China, Iran, and NK are the most recognizable names that have aligned themselves with the axis so far.
The lines are already drawn and future events will dictate whether or not we're currently living in WW3 today.

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Also, the winners will interprete who gets to be the axis and who gets to be the allies in history books...

[–] Wahots@pawb.social 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pretty sure Iran adopted "Axis of Resistance" already. Least they already know what side they are on.

Really getting sick of people deciding to just like...starting shit instead of focusing on constructive competitions like science or space races to other planets. Why do people feel the need to kill the shit out of each other and subjugate their population whilst climate change is bearing down on us? :p

[–] raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I am also sick to the core about this aspect of humanity. I feel that we as a species are just about developed enough to understand how a better world would look like, and how people should act, what's "the right thing to do" - and very much not developed enough to overcome our egoism and narcissism to make it happen, so we do the wrong thing despite knowing better far too often.

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[–] Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 12 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And some would argue that WW1 was WW2 and WW2 WAS WW3. The 7 years war/French and Indian (not French vs Indian) war are commonly referred to as the real first world war. And then the Nepoleonic wars are similarly thought of by some to have been a world war of sorts

[–] bluGill@kbin.run 5 points 2 years ago (2 children)

WWI was called the great war, and the war to end all wars until WWII broke out. I sometimes call WWII just the great war part 2 - the treaties that "ended" WWI were clearly setup (on hindsight!) to make the war break out again in the future when Germany got sick of those treaties.

The point is names are added after the fact and often don't make a lot of sense if you know details.

[–] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

“This is not a peace. It is an armistice for twenty years!”

Ferdinand Foch, 1921

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago

He was right for the wrong reasons. He believed the treaty was too lenient, when in retrospect it seems pretty clear that the punitive nature of the treaty was a significant factor in Hitler rising to power and then WW2 starting.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Not really, proxy wars have been fought with multiple nations before.

... practically everyone was in Syria... Russia, Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Armenia, Qatar, The USA, ISIS, Al-queda, and Syrian forces.

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

To me, it does not seem wise to just let these two continue along this path, but I am certain there are numerous internet experts out there who can explain to me why we should not intervene.

[–] ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 years ago (12 children)

How would you propose the intervention happen? Sit Kim down and say "bad boy, stop it"?

What can "the west" really do to prevent or stop troops from NK being sent to the Ukraine front?

Russia isn't going to stop them from crossing their border.

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[–] btaf45@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

But man, it really is starting to look like WW3

It looks more like Crimean War II to me.

[–] Matriks404@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (3 children)

The truth is, we don't fucking know. No expert would tell you that Russia is ready to invade Ukraine, and here we go.

[–] bluGill@kbin.run 4 points 2 years ago

Be careful here. Experts would tell you that Russia was going to invade Ukraine. However as you say Russia wasn't ready for it.

[–] someacnt_@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

I wasn't even an expert but I knew they would do that just by distribution of military. Did not expect Civ 5 to be accurate, tho

[–] intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago

I’m not an expert either and I could have predicted the invasion based on:

  • huge buildup of troops in preparation for invasion
  • 8 years prior they had invaded after saying they wouldn’t
[–] echodot@feddit.uk 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Pretty asymmetric that isn't it. On one side you have a nation that is rapidly running out of, well basically everything, and on the other side you've got an alliance of nation states which contain among many other things the largest most powerful military on the planet.

Finally the nation that is running out of resources is now getting military support from quite possibly the worst place they could get it from.

It's going to be one of those ridiculous situations that only happens in Civilization, where you're bombing cavemen with nukes because your adversary has failed to advance through the tech tree fast enough.

[–] bluGill@kbin.run 6 points 2 years ago

Unfortunately China is not running out of everything and they are looking like they might back Russia here. Iran is also backing Russia and not to be underestimated.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm wondering what Kim gets from this though?

[–] skulblaka@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I honestly think he might legitimately believe that a couple platoons of NK soldiers will clear this whole mess right up and then the world will have to take them seriously.

The North Korean leadership is not exactly well known for their excellent grasp of reality.

[–] Gigasser@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

My thought is maybe either food or arms or research for arms production/nukes from the Russians.

Edit Addendum: the article says as much actually lol. This is what I get for just trying to get an idea of NK actions from the title.

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