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Now the left needs to be hammered relentlessly so that they learn their lesson from this. You can not "redeem" yourself as a military service person unless you relentlessly hammer home that it was wrong, that you regret being in it, and that you condemn it. They must dedicate their lives to opposition to it and redemption. The redeemable veterans are like Mike Prysner.
And they need to fucking learn that this "oh but joining the military is ok" shit is absurd. It's not. It's never ok. There are no leftist veterans. There are no leftist former veterans unless they're deeply opposed to the military and what it does.
You can't be a pro or even neutral-military leftist. All the good veterans are anti-military and all the good leftists are also anti-military.
I don't even fucking understand who they think they're pandering to by babying military personnel. Do they think that by telling them what they do is fine they will come around and become leftists? Pro-imperialism leftists? Like wtf is anyone in the left thinking? The only military personnel that are likely to become leftists are the ones seeing what the military is doing and reacting with sheer horror and guilt at it all.
This whole saga just taught me that the majority of self-appointed thought leaders of what passes as the left in the US are fucking stupid. Their sole responsibility within any org unlucky enough to be saddled with these useless dead weight should be moving heavy boxes from point A to point B and even then they might fuck that up somehow.
I'm not entirely convinced. I think the people who supported Platner are more likely to be compromised than stupid. Hasan for example has spent literally years upon years diverting people who were ostensibly moving left and convincing them to vote democrat. Even if he had legitimate left wing politics at some point, that point is far behind him now.
A lot of them are both compromised and fools. Idk if Hasan is also a fool or just compromised. I'm inclined to say also a fool because even a vet apologist could have seen Platner as being a liability far beyond the typical smol bean proud veteran and taken any of several offramps to more openly disavow him.
Hasan has simply found his niche and is growing within it. If he abandoned unprincipled electoralism he would have less to speak about that's relevant to the news articles and videos he comes across live on stream and have no chance of being invited to electoralist events to do solo pundit things.
He may understand this as maximizing his relevance and bringing people left through it, but of course that's the exact same logic of opportunism and tailism. Supporting a war criminal Nazi settles the debate of which it is, lol.
Yep. Smart compromised people would be on the "Platner is a Nazi goon" wagon from day 1 so they can reap their leftist cred harvest when the campaign inevitably and predictably collapses.
Very fair point, yeah. Compromised and a total dipshit.
Engels already told us what "people" like Hasan were in 1892. They speculate on the discontent of the lower classes in order to sell them out to one of the big parties afterward.
I think a little of column A, a little of column B: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot
some people are dumb, some people are malicious, some people are both.
The party, however, IMO is both, and it should be treated as such.
Hasan is a class traitor, plain and simple. He got money, and now it's no longer in his interest to have those opinions that got him his money.
Hasan has always openly been a reformist when it comes to American politics, despite happily platforming MLs and doing theory sessions. He has mentioned many times in the past that this has always been a sticking point with people further to his left with him.
This isn't a new thing.
he wasn’t exactly a proletarian previously. but yes it is class interests that lead him to this
Meh, his class character changed and he is now acting in the interests of his new class. Makes him a piece of shit but not necessarily a traitor. He has joined the bourgeoisie and now acts for them... Not exactly treachery;)
If they weren't stupid, why did Platner's campaign collapse so stupidly?
I'm talking about the various political commentators who couldn't stop glazing the guy, not his campaign, but fine - stupid and compromised.
No, like, now all those political commentators just took a hit to their reputations. This made them look stupid, too.
A nice pretty rake was set out in front of them and then they all lined up to step on it, one after another.
What was the point?
I commented this else where but I really think it is just electoralism brainworms where you always have to vote for someone and in this case on paper Platner's policies were what they wanted to see over the other person. Since its only about the election and the policies to these people, they are forced to ignore the glaring issues with Platner because the election is happening anyway, someone has to run, and the only other person was a zionist. they have an extremely myopic worldview where they need to win as many seats as possible to prove socialism is good or something and so anyone who says "yeah sure I'm a socialist" is automatically their candidate over someone not saying that.
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Yeah... Compromised and stupid.
100%. People should stop acting like being a proud veteran doesn't say anything bad about you as a person. This guy killed people. I repeat, he killed people. He has aleardy demonstrated the capacity for violence far beyond what vast majority of the population is capable of. Is sexual violence really that much of a leap from what he's done in Iraq?
And even that's assuming he didn't do sexual violence in Iraq, which he would have had ample opportunity to do
I assume from context you are referring to specifically USA/imperial militaries and not, for example, China’s PLA
If a PLA vet ran for the Senate I would commit voter fraud for them
Yes
Even here I'm seeing people act like no one could have seen this coming and Platner betrayed them, etc. rather than acknowledging that it was always extremely obvious that he was an unprincipled Nazi piece of shit and people have been pointing it out for months. I don't believe anything will change and I also don't think anyone who was ever willing to support that imperialist POS can be reasonably believed to be on the left.
Lmao where? I'm genuinely surprised if that's the case I've never seen it anywhere here. Is it like just 1 person with a bad take?
I'm probably just salty about the one or two people I saw here being ride or die for him and misrepresenting theory to do so tbqh. Plus I have been reading truly revolting comments about this whole shemozzle on other platforms:/
If they're dumb enough to still believe "participating" in in American politics let them cry in pain. They have it coming.
Only Vet I would vote for is Mike Pysner
Just for clarity, do you mean there are no leftist soldiers and there are only leftist former soldiers (i.e. current veterans) if they disavow their past actions and oppose the military?
Yes. Iffy wording on my part there.
This entire thing is a culture war that needs to happen. The worship of military and service has to be attacked. There is no case for defending it, the only reason people do defend it is because they've been brought up in environments where vocally not supporting the troops would result in their social lives being made uncomfortable. It's a cult that reinforces itself socially.
I absolutely agree, just making sure I understood what you meant.
post 2003 i think 100% of the excuse is gone. even with all the propaganda we're fed you should be able to look at that and understand what the US military is and does.
I think we have to keep in mind that the american "left" is a baby that has only existed since Bernie's 2020 campaign. Everything before that time has been filtered through the liberal worldview. Any americans that were old enough to be an adult and switched on to politics in 2003 probably supported it but felt there were "bad actors" among them but the troops are mostly good.
Additionally the only filter they got that information through was liberal media of 2003. It's long long before social media which is showing the criminality of war more than the liberal filter of television would do in the past. If Israel's actions today happened in 2003 almost nobody would know about the genocide and all the Israeli narratives would've succeeded. The media wouldn't have had to show anything bad at all, they would've hid it all.
So we're dealing with a left that is just 6 years old and only has experience with those 6 years. Everything else doesn't exist or has the distorted worldview. This will change, especially when the US has to put troops somewhere and the conduct of those troops shows they're indistinguishable to the IDF.
You're still giving them too much room. There can be no forgiveness. Ideally we'd defund the VA and let the problem sort itself out but that won't happen. You will never get the average American to stand against the military because military atrocities are what gets them their treats.
The opposite, you fund the VA so well that they heal, and if they don’t want to heal, dope them up so much they can’t even lift their arm, let alone a rifle, against the communist cause.
His campaign implosion has nothing to do with his military service.
I'm not saying it's why his campaign imploded. I'm saying that being an unrepentant murderer that proudly killed brown people for 3 tours and then also joined the world's most infamous merc company SHOULD make someone completely unviable to anyone that considers themselves left. He is not left. He travelled around the world murdering people for imperialism. He enjoyed murdering people for imperialism.
This is not left wing. This kind of person will never ever be left wing. This kind of person pretending to be left wing will always blow up in your face, because this kind of person has done more horrible shit than is out there.
Nobody in the military can be left wing. It's as simple as that.
The military's job is to be the enforcers of imperialism abroad. The cop's job is to be the enforcers of imperialism at home.
Do you think your local ICE officer kicking down doors and kidnapping brown people can be left wing? No? Then why do you think the same fucking person doing it abroad can be left wing?
The reason is because you've been raised surrounded by people grinning and nodding along and saying "oh yes the veterans they fight for our freedom, they are good people, hmm yes yes, good people" over and over and over, reinforcing it to you, over and over and over. Anyone who does not do so is socially harmed for not doing so, which reinforces it further and creates an endless cycle of it. And because you don't see it happen, you don't hear about the horros they perform from the people around you, you don't think they're that bad. But they are. Their behaviour abroad has always been entirely indistinguishable from all the videos you've seen of the IDF's conduct. You simply haven't seen it because the US hasn't been an invading force yet in the age of social media, and the older content gets fobbed off as "bad apples" because it's only a small amount of content. The US as an invading force is going to come though, and everyone will see the same thing we see with the IDF.