cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/8955441
He was a coomer, Ben Franklin?
this post was submitted on 06 Jul 2026
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Imagine looking up to slavers from hundreds of years ago as your moral compass 🤮
Ben Franklin owned seven slaves early in his life, but later got rid of them, became an outspoken critic of slavery, and worked toward its abolition.
Also, slavery or not, the point still stands. They wouldn't recognize America today and would be horrified.
FYI, I recognise America and am also horrified, if that helps.
Tradition is just peer pressure from dead people.
If nothing would shock your ancestors, you have stagnated.
Of what?
There was a transgender Royal Governor of New York State.
Edward Hyde, served 1702 to 1708.
You'd know that if you actually studied US history.
You immediately assumed they held a position opposite of yours for no reason and then speak condescendingly to them, why? Maybe they think the founding fathers would be horrified by the same things you are horrified by. And even if they didn't, they aren't defending them, just stating the fact that they would indeed be horrified.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Cawthorn
Funny thing. I happen to own an electronic device that allows me to search a thing called 'the world wide webbing.'
Using my advanced OKJeeves search engine, I learned something about Ms. Crawford.
One thing I learned about Ms. Crawford is that they don't think we should respect other people's preferred personal pronouns, so to honor that I'll refer to them as 'Ms.'
More condescending commentary.. ok?
Who is this person, and why do I care about them? And if they're so important, and you're so clever, why can't you keep their name consistent in your own comment?
why can’t you keep their name consistent in your own comment?
You seem confused. I referred to Ms. Crawford twice, and both times as 'Ms. Crawford.'
Also, your edit is as confusing a jumble as I've ever read. I have no idea what you're unhappy about.
Finally, I didn't 'assume' anything. I've run across Ms. Crawford's comments in the past, and happened to remember the name. I guess I overestimated you; I should have added an '/s' but I thought the using the terms 'worldwidewebbing' and 'OKJeeves' would convey my sarcastic intent.
My point is that your original comment was not to Cawthorn. It was to someone completely different. Cawthorn could have a swastika in his profile picture and call for the extinction of all trans people and it wouldn't justify your being rude to some random guy online who said, "yeah the founding fathers would be horrified".
You're acting like you're talking directly to the OP and responding directly to Cawthorn's tweet, when you're not.
I'm not saying you're assuming Cawthorn's position. I'm saying you're assuming Dookieman12's position. What do Cawthorn's past comments have to do with the person you're actually responding to?
You're adorable.
Don't ever change.
You're an idiot.
Please change.
So are ad hominem attacks when someone can no longer defend their position, or even acknowledge the obvious mistake they sarcastically defended.
I don't see why I would, based on this interaction.
even acknowledge the obvious mistake they sarcastically defended.
I've been replying to all your screeds.
Isn't that acknowledgement enough for you, you greedy little minx?
No, I want you to concede at the very least that you acted like I was incapable of understanding your ClEveR comment when it was in fact you that made a mistake, and it'd be even better if you admitted that your random "well there were trans people in the 1700s dumby!" quip a. had absolutely nothing to do with what anyone was talking about, b. was unnecessarily rude to someone who only disagreed with you in your own mind, and c. failed to disprove the thing you decided to argue against. But I don't think you're gonna do any of that so I think we're done.
“Bonomi concluded that Lord Cornbury’s crossdressing was likely invented by his political enemies as character assassination.”
And...?
My point was that the Founders would have been familiar with the idea of transgender. Also, most of them had studied the Classics, and would have known about Sappho and the initiation rituals of the Spartan warriors.
Homosexualism* wasn't invented in the 20th Century.
*I can't find the video, but I once heard William F. Buckley use that word and it's lived in my head ever since.
… and your statement is totally false.
Were you there?
"They were roommates!"
Sometimes it’s a “Sappho and her friend” situation, but it sounds like this guy was just a straight crook.
This may come as a shock to you, but the existence of trans people is not the only significant change that has happened here since the 1700s.