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The Apple MacBook Neo's $599 starting price is a "shock" to the Windows PC industry, according to an Asus executive.

Hsu said he believes all the PC players—including Microsoft, Intel, and AMD—take the MacBook Neo threat seriously. "In fact, in the entire PC ecosystem, there have been a lot of discussions about how to compete with this product," he added, given that rumors about the MacBook Neo have been making the rounds for at least a year.

Despite the competitive threat, Hsu argued that the MacBook Neo could have limited appeal. He pointed to the laptop's 8GB of "unified memory," or what amounts to its RAM, and how customers can't upgrade it.

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[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 125 points 5 months ago (39 children)

I can't speak for Macs. But in the Linux world, 8GB is fine. In Windows it's awful because of all that bloat. I'm guessing Macs fair better for OS efficiency.

[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 104 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Macs don't have copilot so that's like 4GB saved right there

[–] BigTrout75@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

Ha ha ha. True!

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[–] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 54 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

8GB of ram is more than fine for work and medium photo/video editing, as long as you have plenty of SSD space and don’t use Apple Intelligence.

People forget that MacOS is UNIX at its core.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 25 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I'm running Mint on an 8GB laptop and I'm surprised by just how much can be running at one time. Right now I'm running Firefox with 10 open tabs, Waterfox with 8 tabs, Thunderbird, Keepass, Calibre, Signal, a Whatsapp client, Syncthing, Libreoffice Writer with 2 open docs & Calc with 2 open small spreadsheets, a couple of terminals and Gedit, and didn't even notice it until came across these comments. A friend who uses Windows 11 says 32GB is recommended now.

Microsoft must be thrilled with age verification being required at the OS level. What a great way to lock people into their Microslop garbage.

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 23 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Right now I’m running Firefox with 10 open tabs,

Oh......I guess I'm the only one who opens firefox, and literally thousands of tabs.

One day I closed one window and it said "Are you sure you want to close 158 tabs?"

I said yes. It was one window. I had 23 more windows.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

When I get to 20 or so I have to start closing some tabs to keep track of things. How do you find the tab you're looking for when you have that many open?

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 8 points 5 months ago

Tab search.

Tab groups.

Color coding.

I use sideberry addon on Firefox and workspaces in Vivaldi.

[–] MalReynolds@slrpnk.net 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Zen (firefox (gecko) derivative, No AI, focus on decluttered interface) has bloody excellent tab management these days, workspaces, folders, horizontal tab lists (like sideberry), essentials (tab icons pinned to the top), auto unload, all built in, and everything disappears when reading a page.

[–] LucidNightmare@anarchist.nexus 1 points 5 months ago

Glance is the most used feature on Zen for me. Everything else I like Firefox for more, but that damn Glance feature really helps me when doing research or looking into things! I NEED it for Firefox! :'(

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[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

Literally thousands? Have you tried bookmarking things after they've sat unused for awhile?

I typically just periodically save my browser windows with a tab manager extension. I just say because thousands sounds like way too much to keep track of...

[–] Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 5 months ago

I rarely have more than 10 tabs open on my phone, and rarely more than 5 in my PC. How do people have so many tabs?

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Get Sideberry for your sanity.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/

https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery

I literally have over a thousand tabs open in one window.

8Gb ram. Mint. 10+ year old pc.

[–] tyler@programming.dev 1 points 5 months ago

Yeah sidebery is the goat. I too have thousands of tabs open.

[–] ieGod@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago

This is the computing equivalent to hoarding.

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[–] gurty@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

I’m running Arch on a Macbook Air with 2GB of RAM. Its limited, but it does what I want it to.

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[–] hopesdead@startrek.website 9 points 5 months ago (10 children)

Many entry level MacBooks of the last decade have probably been 8 GB. I have a M1 MacBook Air and that is 8 GB. It is fine for me.

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[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

in the Linux world, 8GB is fine

So I presume you're saying that the entire system shouldn't slow down when Firefox starts swapping?

[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I use mainly Linux but Mac is more efficient with RAM than Linux is also. By a significant amount.

[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (3 children)

What?

I use OSX for work and Linux on my personal laptop, that hasn't been my experience at all

[–] setsubyou@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There are some advantages macOS can have but it depends on usage patterns and user knowledge:

  • You don’t have to configure swap on macOS, while on Linux you can get into a situation where e.g. at install time you set up some default 2 GB swap but then it’s not enough and you don’t know that’s a thing that can be changed.
  • You don’t have to configure compression for RAM or swap on macOS; on Linux you often have to know you can set up zram/zswap if you want it. Compression can make a huge difference for users that switch between memory heavy applications as long as they don’t literally switch every 5 seconds.
  • On macOS, applications generally use the same frameworks e.g. for UI (because there is not much choice), and they can be loaded once and shared between all of them. Linux can share libraries too but users can run into situations where their applications use multiple different versions of Qt, GTK, etc. at the same time, and then you have stuff like snap on top that comes with its own copies of even basic system libraries. Containers also do this. As a Linux user you can avoid library bloat to some extent but “normal” users are not aware of it in the first place.
[–] RIotingPacifist@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Dynamic swap and zswap aren't really the same as efficient ram usage it's just good ways to mitigate when you run out. But when your using actual swap it's in my experience more noticable on OSX than Linux, which at least for me remains responsive until you're using a lot of swap.

Linux can share libraries too but users can run into situations where their applications use multiple different versions of Qt, GTK, etc. at the same time

Maybe Arch & Flatpak users hit this, but avoiding multiple versions of the same library is what distros exist for and avoiding loading different frameworks is what Desktop Environments are for. Although the ability to restore apps after closing them is pretty sweet and built in to OSX in a way that lets me safely kill apps to reduce the memory I'm using.

I think the main reason my Linux setup consumes less memory is probably because I used Kate for most file editing instead of vscode, which is probably an unfair advantage to Linux.

[–] setsubyou@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Dynamic swap and zswap aren't really the same as efficient ram usage it's just good ways to mitigate when you run out.

I disagree. If the OS automatically identifies unneeded pages and compresses them or swaps them out, it’s certainly using the physical memory more efficiently than if it wasn’t doing these things.

avoiding multiple versions of the same library is what distros exist for

But they can’t if the applications they want to ship don’t all use the same version. E.g. Ubuntu ships GTK 2, 3, and 4. Arch even still ships GTK 1 in addition to these three.

avoiding loading different frameworks is what Desktop Environments are for

What happens is you run KDE but then you still want to run Firefox so you still need GTK.

[–] SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 points 5 months ago

MacOS doesn't shove the system UI components into swap when Firefox uses too much memory.

[–] BladeFederation@piefed.social 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

To clarify, some versions of Linux are lighter weight with resources, and macOS does tend to take up more RAM at rest to make things pull up snappier, if you have it to spare. But their compression algorithm is better, and if you are using near the limit, it will be more efficient with the use of the RAM you have available before lagging. With Windows and Linux, it feels more like if you're out of RAM you're out if RAM. It's less likely to happen at all on Linux though.

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[–] bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 months ago

It is not more efficient. Macs use more ram in general and they both employ memory compression and caching.

[–] Anivia@feddit.org 3 points 5 months ago

The only time I ever use more than 8gb on my M4 Mac Mini is when I run a Win 11 VM through Parallels

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