MangoCats

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 hour ago

LLM, unlikely. ML, probably

ML already has demonstrated tremendous capability increases for automated machines, starting with postal letter sorters decades ago, proceeding through ever more advanced (and still limited, occasionally flawed - like people) image recognition.

LLM puts more of a "natural language interface" on things, making phone trees into something less infuriating to use and ultimately more helpful.

LLMs, which are too costly to train and run

That's a matter of application

inherently too unreliable for safety-critical or health-critical use

Yeah, although I can see LLMs being helpful as a front end, in addition to the traditional checklist systems used for safety regulation, medical Dx and other guidance, an LLM can (and has, for me) provided (incomplete, sometimes flawed) targeted insights into material it reviews - improving the human review process as an adjunct tool, not as a replacement for the human reviewer.

too flaky for any use requiring auditability

Definitely. Mostly I have been using LLM generated code to create deterministic processes which can be verified as correct - it's pretty good at that, I could write the same code myself but the AI agent/LLM can write that kind of (simple) program 5x-10x faster for 10% of the "brain fatigue" and I can focus on the real problems we're trying to solve. Having those deterministic tools again makes review and evaluation of large spreadsheets a more thorough and less labor intense process. People make mistakes, too, and when you give them (for this morning's example) a spreadsheet with 2000 rows and 30 columns to "evaluate" - beyond people's "context window capacity" as well... we need tools that focus on the important 50 lines and 8 columns without missing the occasional rare important datapoints...

So far, with LLMs, the game ain’t worth the candle,

The better modern models, in roughly the past 10 months or so, have turned a corner for some computer programming tasks, and over those 10 months they have improved rather significantly. It's not the panacea revolution that a lot of breathless journalists describe, but it's a better tool assisting in the creation of simple programs (and simple components of larger programs) than anything I have used in the previous 45 years, and over the past 10 months the level of complexity / size of programs the LLMs can effectively handle has roughly tripled, in my estimation for my applications.

even without considering the enormous environmental damage caused by their supporting infrastructure.

When it's used for worthless garbage (as most of it seems to be today), I agree with this evaluation. Focused on good use cases? In specifically good use cases, the power / environmental impacts range from trivial to positive - in those cases where the AI agents/LLMs are saving human labor - human labor and its infrastructure has enormous environmental impact too.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Curious: Does Montreal allow "employment at will" like most states in the US do? If it does, I can't imagine an UbiSoft contract not including it. The article definitely makes it sound like a termination for cause, but what's written on his termination paperwork may be entirely different.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

AI has definitely made a mark on my industry (software development) in the past 6 months, as far as I can see it hasn't actually replaced anybody, it's just the most efficient tool for "doing the coding" now. In my end of software development "doing the coding" might be 20% of the job, the more important other 80% is defining what code needs to be written.

2 years ago, "doing the coding" was mostly searching with Google for examples of what you need on Stack Exchange and similar places.

30 years ago, "doing the coding" was building a library of reference books and code that you could "lift and shift" into whatever you were doing, and the code itself of shipping products was maybe 10% as complex as it is today (counting all the libraries and packages it was/is built with) - for the same pay, but the 80% definition of what code needs to be written time was largely the same. I'd spend 30 minutes to an hour every other day or so with my boss talking about what we should do or showing him proof of concept, prototype examples of what we'd talk about, then I'd spend the rest of the time writing code. Thing was: over half of that code never made it to customers, it was just building the things to get a feel for how they actually worked, and we'd focus on the best stuff and abandon the rest. That still goes on today.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 7 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Not just that, but "working with your hands" has been seen all kinds of machines automating people out of jobs for the past 200+ years, AI/LLM will only make automation more capable, and more undercutting of people's manual labor costs.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

True, but in this case it seems worth doing due to the relatively patient, selective nature of the attack - it would at least clean out a compromised Notepad++ if it had not spread to a wider system compromise yet.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

It doesn’t have any significance when talking about copyright.

I agree, but that doesn't stop journalists from recognizing a hot button topic and hyper-bashing that button as fast and hard and often as they can.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it -1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Point is: some humans can do this without a machine. If a human is assisted by a machine to do something that other humans can do but they cannot - that is illegal?

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it -2 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That's what I read in the article - the "researchers" may have had other interfaces they were using. Also, since that "research" came out, I suspect the models have compensated to prevent the appearance of copying...

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it -1 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Just give me the prompt and model that will generate an entire Harry Potter book so I can check it out.

Start with the first line of the book (enough that it won't be confused with other material in the training set...) the LLM will return some of the next line. Feed it that and it will return some of what comes next, rinse, lather, repeat - researchers have gotten significant chunks of novels regurgitated this way.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it -4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

You may not have photographic memory, but dozens of flesh and blood humans do. Are they "illegal" to exist? They can read a book then recite it back to you.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

Subpoena + publicity = uninsurable. And when you work for a low-profit endeavor, your "damages" are limited to the money you might have made were you insurable, at least that's how the courts measure it and the lawyers decide to take the case or not. OpenAI would probably gladly lose a case and pay whatever income The Midas Project lost as a result of OpenAI's actions - profit isn't the point of The Midas Project, reporting what is happening in the industry is, and that mission has been effectively thwarted with the uninsurable status.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 1 day ago

this has absolutely nothing to do with freedom.

I have often said: the courts have absolutely nothing to do with justice, at least not the kind of justice people think they do.

 

996: 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., 6 days a week

Sure, they're burnt out, sluggish, surly, but... they're present. And when they're present, they're not out in the world spending their income. They don't need an expensive apartment or house, all they do there is sleep. Why have a fancy car when all you do is drive to/from your shitty job in it? Family? Who would have children with somebody who works such a schedule?

Even if you got more productivity from the same workers on a 9 a.m. to 3 p.m., 4 days a week schedule, you'd have to pay them more, not just per hour but overall, because they'd be out spending money on those afternoons / evenings and 3 days a week they have off. Organizing, demanding better healthcare, dental, more paid time off for vacations, and higher total wages to support all these "needs" they invent for themselves on their time off.

Keep 'em locked down, keep 'em tasked with ... anything, doesn't matter if it's productive or not, as long as it keeps them on-the-job and not spending their pay.

Edit: apparently this isn't clear: 996 is a horrible idea from all perspectives, it's bad for the workers and bad for their employers overall. But, in certain twisted views, it would be a bit like military service where the (bulk of the) workers get a pitifully small paycheck, but they don't have any real expenses so they have the option to save it all. 996 would turn that more into a wage-slave implementation where the pitifully small paycheck is just enough to meet their pitifully small expenses. In the China tech sector where they have implemented this (it is now illegal, but still practiced) they also do things like install anti-suicide nets in the stairwells of the highrises the workers work and sleep in.

 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/31879711

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/20187958

A prominent computer scientist who has spent 20 years publishing academic papers on cryptography, privacy, and cybersecurity has gone incommunicado, had his professor profile, email account, and phone number removed by his employer Indiana University, and had his homes raided by the FBI. No one knows why.

Xiaofeng Wang has a long list of prestigious titles. He was the associate dean for research at Indiana University's Luddy School of Informatics, Computing and Engineering, a fellow at the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and a tenured professor at Indiana University at Bloomington. According to his employer, he has served as principal investigator on research projects totaling nearly $23 million over his 21 years there.

He has also co-authored scores of academic papers on a diverse range of research fields, including cryptography, systems security, and data privacy, including the protection of human genomic data. I have personally spoken to him on three occasions for articles herehere, and here.

"None of this is in any way normal"

In recent weeks, Wang's email account, phone number, and profile page at the Luddy School were quietly erased by his employer. Over the same time, Indiana University also removed a profile for his wife, Nianli Ma, who was listed as a Lead Systems Analyst and Programmer at the university's Library Technologies division.

According to the Herald-Times in Bloomington, a small fleet of unmarked cars driven by government agents descended on the Bloomington home of Wang and Ma on Friday. They spent most of the day going in and out of the house and occasionally transferred boxes from their vehicles. TV station WTHR, meanwhile, reported that a second home owned by Wang and Ma and located in Carmel, Indiana, was also searched. The station said that both a resident and an attorney for the resident were on scene during at least part of the search.

Attempts to locate Wang and Ma have so far been unsuccessful. An Indiana University spokesman didn't answer emailed questions asking if the couple was still employed by the university and why their profile pages, email addresses and phone numbers had been removed. The spokesman provided the contact information for a spokeswoman at the FBI's field office in Indianapolis. In an email, the spokeswoman wrote: "The FBI conducted court authorized law enforcement activity at homes in Bloomington and Carmel Friday. We have no further comment at this time."

Searches of federal court dockets turned up no documents related to Wang, Ma, or any searches of their residences. The FBI spokeswoman didn't answer questions seeking which US district court issued the warrant and when, and whether either Wang or Ma is being detained by authorities. Justice Department representatives didn't return an email seeking the same information. An email sent to a personal email address belonging to Wang went unanswered at the time this post went live. Their resident status (e.g. US citizens or green card holders) is currently unknown.

Fellow researchers took to social media over the weekend to register their concern over the series of events.

"None of this is in any way normal," Matthew Green, a professor specializing in cryptography at Johns Hopkins University, wrote on Mastodon. He continued: "Has anyone been in contact? I hear he’s been missing for two weeks and his students can’t reach him. How does this not get noticed for two weeks???"

In the same thread, Matt Blaze, a McDevitt Professor of Computer Science and Law at Georgetown University said: "It's hard to imagine what reason there could be for the university to scrub its website as if he never worked there. And while there's a process for removing tenured faculty, it takes more than an afternoon to do it."

Local news outlets reported the agents spent several hours moving boxes in an out of the residences. WTHR provided the following details about the raid on the Carmel home:

Neighbors say the agents announced "FBI, come out!" over a megaphone.

A woman came out of the house holding a phone. A video from a neighbor shows an agent taking that phone from her. She was then questioned in the driveway before agents began searching the home, collecting evidence and taking photos.

A car was pulled out of the garage slightly to allow investigators to access the attic.

The woman left the house before 13News arrived. She returned just after noon accompanied by a lawyer. The group of ten or so investigators left a few minutes later.

The FBI would not say what they were looking for or who is under investigation. A bureau spokesperson issued a statement: “I can confirm we conducted court-authorized activity at the address in Carmel today. We have no further comment at this time.”

Investigators were at the house for about four hours before leaving with several boxes of evidence. 13News rang the doorbell when the agents were gone. A lawyer representing the family who answered the door told us they're not sure yet what the investigation is about.

This post will be updated if new details become available. Anyone with first-hand knowledge of events involving Wang, Ma, or the investigation into either is encouraged to contact me, preferably over Signal at DanArs.82. The email address is: dan.goodin@arstechnica.com.

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