MangoCats

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 10 hours ago

Dude, cats don’t know if you just keep them inside.

That's what you think about your cats. I've had a dozen cats over the past 60 years, about 4 of them "inside only." In my experience, they most definitely know. The persian who wasn't really possible to let outside most definitely responded to things like flea-dipping, us not being home on time to feed him, etc. Overall, I see much more happiness and friendly disposition in the outdoor cats, but you do you. Box trained dogs "don't know any better" either, but does that really make keeping your big dog in a box 90% of its life O.K.?

You are actively choosing to hurt animals around you

Is that any worse than passively choosing to support the abuse that takes place in chicken factories? I can't stand modern chicken meat because it's disgustingly bloated, flaccid and flavorless - then think about how that chicken was raised, bred for fast growth and pumped with hormones to grow faster. If you ever have the stones, go visit a chicken factory and look inside one of the sheds - but wear a respirator, I wouldn't want you hurt by the toxic air.

On the greater scale, the (very few) animals around me that are getting hurt by our cat are out there in the wild, getting eaten by all kinds of other wild creatures in their environment. Just tonight, I encountered a large skink in the yard - they're in the yard now, far from the house, because we have a cat that spends his time mostly in and near the house the skinks don't take up residence in the living room anymore (like they did when we first moved in). They're not all dead, they're just living in places more protected from our (and our neighbors') cats.

Your argument is basically you bending logic, facts, etc to suit your point of view. Don’t be so entrenched.

Anyway, this is my last reply because you are behaving irrationally. It’s not that you won, it’s that I don’t care about someone who is so callous to farm animals.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 10 hours ago

There’s no such thing as a concrete standard of morals.

My sociology professor used to say: "if you look far enough in human societies, you will find examples of just about everything imaginable being accepted, or restricted except for incest and cannibalism, those two have clearly observable problems and generally societies will shun them eventually - with notable exceptions such as the Hapsburgs of Europe and the odd cannibal tribe in the Pacific.

It’s an extremely complex question because each of those questions that arise also have a million questions to answer to get the answer to them. And all of them being “right” or “wrong” rely on large scale social acceptance of the answers to each other questions

For an AI to participate in such discussions, it - like a human - would need to learn the locally accepted social mores and synthesize any gaps from the available information. The final result for this and similar questions will depend heavily on the society it is learning from - uncontacted tribes in the Amazon will have different answers from tribes in equatorial West Africa, and of course different answers still from Christian, Muslim, Hindu etc. etc. (each of those having dozens to hundreds of sects...) There is no global answer.

AI doesn’t have sentience. It can’t feel emotion and therefore can’t reason using emotion.

To the extent that emotion is expressed in lexical tokens it can process, AI can process those tokens in context and "feel" to the fidelity that writers can express what emotion is and how it should / should not, does / does not impact decisions.

...losing weight is simple... that can be extremely HARD for most people to actually do.

Knowing the physics doesn't make self-control any easier. Losing weight is a behavioral thing and many of the factors in the behavioral choices aren't under rational control - the decision to eat is strongly driven by all kinds of biological factors that don't care about your reason and philosophies. I wonder what similar problems AI may develop in the future as an emergent behavior of other things we are building into it.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

that’s not really a philosophical question

Choose your field... two rabbis (dirty old men, of course) having agreed that abortion is a sin: debating whether it is a sin for a woman to perform feminine hygeine after rape to possibly prevent pregnancy from that rape. Where on the continuum from Monty Python's "every sin is sacred" up to late term does abortion become a sin? Do the circumstances of the insemination come into play or not, and if so... how? What considerations are given to alienating the woman and perhaps her family from the synagogue if too hard-line of an interpretation is taught? Should the considerations be drawn up mathematically with weights and formulas if possible? Like physics, if you have a formula you can check it for correctness by putting in test values and seeing if the results are reasonable.

“Easy” and “hard” are NOT the same thing as “simple” and “complex”.

No, but they rhyme - so to speak. Hard problems become easier when their apparent complexities are simplified.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Any person widely known to have a net worth over $100M typically has a security force of some kind, even if the body guards aren't visible, they're there working to ensure their target's safety.

I worked at a drone company in 2012, we were approached by the security team of a silicon valley wunderkind who liked to roller skate to work - drove them batty, they were interested in running aerial surveillance on his route.

Amodei is a particularly "hot topic" these days, not surprising they're working overtime.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (4 children)

complex questions

Yet another slippery fish to try to wrestle with bare hands. What constitutes complexity? Some relatively simple looking questions turn out to be highly complex: Are there any whole-number solutions to (a^n + b^n = c^n) if (n) is greater than 2?

Then, any number of complex looking questions turn out to be quite simple with a little insight: such as any large product which has a factor that reduces to 0.

What's simple for some people is hard for others, and I would posit that is greatly amplified when you stop comparing humans to humans and start comparing humans to animals or machines...

they can apply experience to new situations without the ability to use feeling as part of that.

We put unfeeling psychopaths in charge of our largest corporations, to maximize profits - a machine might be less scary in the long run.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

Like a collection of nuclear warheads that can end the world, but if it's your collection of nukes you can threaten others with it.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 6 points 14 hours ago

Dunno, we've been making nukes like crazy even since the whole nuclear winter thing was figured out.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 16 hours ago (6 children)

Are whales sentient? Apes? Dogs? Squid? Alligators? Spiders? Fleas? What's the test? (Yeah, the mirror test - how well do you think that really works?)

H. sapiens has more in common with fleas than LLMs - the LLMs only seem more familiar because they're trained on our text-based interactions. Whatever sentience LLMs do or do not develop, we will be debating how to define it probably until they start reproducing themselves and force us to a sit-down negotiation over how we will divide the Earth's resources - or maybe they won't bother with negotiation.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 8 points 16 hours ago (4 children)

Ever hear of people investing in weapons manufacturers?

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Immutable systems are... challenging.

They're good at resilliance, reboot and "important stuff" gets restored to its state when locked.

(Some of) the problems are: how to draw the line between "important stuff" that should never change and "configuration parameters" that need to be periodically modified, and storage like log files that change all the time. Then, occasionally you need to open up the "immutable" partition and make changes there as well, and during those openings you are basically as, perhaps a bit more, vulnerable to attack as traditional systems.

The fact that Ubuntu has been working on this for so many years and it's still not ready for release tells you something...

I have developed a few systems on RaspberryPi where the immutability protects the immutable microSD filesystem from corruption when power is lost without graceful shutdown, which is pretty much every shutdown in real-world deployments...

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 2 points 22 hours ago

Everybody loved Win98 and loathed WinME - I thought ME wasn't bad, slight improvement over 98SE, after spending 2 solid nights on the internet looking up how to disable all the worthless ME crap they stuck in there that was a good laptop for several years.

[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 3 points 22 hours ago

The problem with rural connectivity is cable-miles per subscriber. When the US rolled out copper telephone lines to the boonies that was HEAVILY subsidized by urban customers.

 

Illich isn't an easy read, but when you get into it, his "second watershed" is basically "jumping the shark," when an institution - like medicine, or education, or many others, has outgrown its positive contributions to society and started to hurt as much or more than it helps.

Can you identify when the industry you work in crossed Illich's first and second watersheds?

https://arl.human.cornell.edu/linked%20docs/Illich_Tools_for_Conviviality.pdf

 

Not just water, but also resources: electricity, RAM and Flash memory, other things being over-consumed by the AI development explosion. This war doesn't have geographic or national boundaries, its the (heavily funded) AI companies vs everyone else.

 

What is this recurring connection between big missiles sending men to the moon and the military industrial complex sending expeditionary forces overseas?

 

996: 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., 6 days a week

Sure, they're burnt out, sluggish, surly, but... they're present. And when they're present, they're not out in the world spending their income. They don't need an expensive apartment or house, all they do there is sleep. Why have a fancy car when all you do is drive to/from your shitty job in it? Family? Who would have children with somebody who works such a schedule?

Even if you got more productivity from the same workers on a 9 a.m. to 3 p.m., 4 days a week schedule, you'd have to pay them more, not just per hour but overall, because they'd be out spending money on those afternoons / evenings and 3 days a week they have off. Organizing, demanding better healthcare, dental, more paid time off for vacations, and higher total wages to support all these "needs" they invent for themselves on their time off.

Keep 'em locked down, keep 'em tasked with ... anything, doesn't matter if it's productive or not, as long as it keeps them on-the-job and not spending their pay.

Edit: apparently this isn't clear: 996 is a horrible idea from all perspectives, it's bad for the workers and bad for their employers overall. But, in certain twisted views, it would be a bit like military service where the (bulk of the) workers get a pitifully small paycheck, but they don't have any real expenses so they have the option to save it all. 996 would turn that more into a wage-slave implementation where the pitifully small paycheck is just enough to meet their pitifully small expenses. In the China tech sector where they have implemented this (it is now illegal, but still practiced) they also do things like install anti-suicide nets in the stairwells of the highrises the workers work and sleep in.

 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/31879711

cross-posted from: https://slrpnk.net/post/20187958

A prominent computer scientist who has spent 20 years publishing academic papers on cryptography, privacy, and cybersecurity has gone incommunicado, had his professor profile, email account, and phone number removed by his employer Indiana University, and had his homes raided by the FBI. No one knows why.

Xiaofeng Wang has a long list of prestigious titles. He was the associate dean for research at Indiana University's Luddy School of Informatics, Computing and Engineering, a fellow at the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers and the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and a tenured professor at Indiana University at Bloomington. According to his employer, he has served as principal investigator on research projects totaling nearly $23 million over his 21 years there.

He has also co-authored scores of academic papers on a diverse range of research fields, including cryptography, systems security, and data privacy, including the protection of human genomic data. I have personally spoken to him on three occasions for articles here, here, and here.

"None of this is in any way normal"

In recent weeks, Wang's email account, phone number, and profile page at the Luddy School were quietly erased by his employer. Over the same time, Indiana University also removed a profile for his wife, Nianli Ma, who was listed as a Lead Systems Analyst and Programmer at the university's Library Technologies division.

According to the Herald-Times in Bloomington, a small fleet of unmarked cars driven by government agents descended on the Bloomington home of Wang and Ma on Friday. They spent most of the day going in and out of the house and occasionally transferred boxes from their vehicles. TV station WTHR, meanwhile, reported that a second home owned by Wang and Ma and located in Carmel, Indiana, was also searched. The station said that both a resident and an attorney for the resident were on scene during at least part of the search.

Attempts to locate Wang and Ma have so far been unsuccessful. An Indiana University spokesman didn't answer emailed questions asking if the couple was still employed by the university and why their profile pages, email addresses and phone numbers had been removed. The spokesman provided the contact information for a spokeswoman at the FBI's field office in Indianapolis. In an email, the spokeswoman wrote: "The FBI conducted court authorized law enforcement activity at homes in Bloomington and Carmel Friday. We have no further comment at this time."

Searches of federal court dockets turned up no documents related to Wang, Ma, or any searches of their residences. The FBI spokeswoman didn't answer questions seeking which US district court issued the warrant and when, and whether either Wang or Ma is being detained by authorities. Justice Department representatives didn't return an email seeking the same information. An email sent to a personal email address belonging to Wang went unanswered at the time this post went live. Their resident status (e.g. US citizens or green card holders) is currently unknown.

Fellow researchers took to social media over the weekend to register their concern over the series of events.

"None of this is in any way normal," Matthew Green, a professor specializing in cryptography at Johns Hopkins University, wrote on Mastodon. He continued: "Has anyone been in contact? I hear he’s been missing for two weeks and his students can’t reach him. How does this not get noticed for two weeks???"

In the same thread, Matt Blaze, a McDevitt Professor of Computer Science and Law at Georgetown University said: "It's hard to imagine what reason there could be for the university to scrub its website as if he never worked there. And while there's a process for removing tenured faculty, it takes more than an afternoon to do it."

Local news outlets reported the agents spent several hours moving boxes in an out of the residences. WTHR provided the following details about the raid on the Carmel home:

Neighbors say the agents announced "FBI, come out!" over a megaphone.

A woman came out of the house holding a phone. A video from a neighbor shows an agent taking that phone from her. She was then questioned in the driveway before agents began searching the home, collecting evidence and taking photos.

A car was pulled out of the garage slightly to allow investigators to access the attic.

The woman left the house before 13News arrived. She returned just after noon accompanied by a lawyer. The group of ten or so investigators left a few minutes later.

The FBI would not say what they were looking for or who is under investigation. A bureau spokesperson issued a statement: “I can confirm we conducted court-authorized activity at the address in Carmel today. We have no further comment at this time.”

Investigators were at the house for about four hours before leaving with several boxes of evidence. 13News rang the doorbell when the agents were gone. A lawyer representing the family who answered the door told us they're not sure yet what the investigation is about.

This post will be updated if new details become available. Anyone with first-hand knowledge of events involving Wang, Ma, or the investigation into either is encouraged to contact me, preferably over Signal at DanArs.82. The email address is: dan.goodin@arstechnica.com.

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