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Nd let's not forget that there was an economic benefit too that conservatives will ignore. People were able to get out of their house and go spend money thanks to the people who shoveled. People went to work and kept things going.
Conservatives frequently think these things bring no value, and will absolutely mock it on fox news saying "so people can wALk". But yes, the benefit is they can go keep the economy going.
Its why I don't understand why they are against things like high speed rail. Its an investment. Every time we connect people together trade happens, and economies grow. Its kind of how that works.
Woah, woah, woah! I don't want investment that benefits everyone. I only want investment that benefits me! It's a zero-sum game and I need to be the one winning.
I’d love to know what the economic ROI is on paying people that much to clear snow. I bet it’s huge in NYC.
In a city where the vast majority either walk to work, or walk to the subway to get to work, I can't imagine. We clear roadways in the midwest and no one bats an eye, but clearing sidewalks in a walkable city is crazy to them.
It is because they personally do not walk on the sidewalks and don't se employees as people and would rather they just trudged through the drifts to thank them for a paycheck.
They do know that trucks move goods around, which they care about.
Therefore roads being cleared is important to the wealthy and sidewalks are not.
Let's be real, it's not that much money. I mean $30/hr is nice, but that's only when there's enough snow to be worth cleaning, and only half the year. It's not like a full-time position paid $30/hr.
So the investment is relatively small, and the benefit is relatively large.
I've known several people who love that kind of seasonal/day labor kind of work. They can work and save while the work is there and then do contract/part-time in the off season. It's not for everyone but some people make it work.
I wonder how it's set up, can I just put in some hours after my day job or is there a set schedule?
Snow removal is normally an on-call job. There's no need to work when there's no snow to remove. It's not a reliable source of income.
A seasonal job like landscaping or irrigation can be reliable. Snow removal is unfortunately not one of those jobs. It makes sense if you can do multiple similar jobs during the season.
Plus all the money paid out in wages went back into the local economy for rent, food, etc. It didn't go to offshore tax havens.
The issue with public transport is that it's an investment that will pay off in years, not next quarter, or even next election. They don't give a fuck if it doesn't benefit them specifically, and right now.
Also, it evens the field. They don't want this because the bottom having more means they are less above them.
Your last point is probably the most important part, it's not about money, it's about classism.
Even more specifically the class struggle they are waging against us and winning.
Conservative don't want to make things better for everyone, they want to make things better for themselves.
This makes them short sighted and only see the money right in front of their face, which in this case, is going into the pockets of people shovelling snow.
They don't see the benefit because it doesn't benefit them immediately.
But you can bet your life that they will reap the benefit as they pull themselves up by other peoples bootstraps.
Also those people are getting swole while they shovel snow.
Clean energy is another example of an investment which obviously saves money in the long term and also improves the economy in the short term. Conservatives don't care about that because they don't care about the long term, and even if they do, they want all of these issues to still be around so they have something to yell about (since apparently voters only care about something being a problem and can't tell if the 'solution' will actually make things better or worse). There's also a lot of lobbyist money that they can keep on getting by preventing these sorts of investments. If we stopped relying on a couple of oil companies, then those oil companies wouldn't be able to give the politicians money.
Because everything's a get rich quick scheme or a scam, investments to them are rigging bets on polymarket
Let’s not forget also, that when you pay people directly they go and spend that money. Businesses cannot have customers if the customers don’t have money. The reason why money is kept so tight is a) blind greed and b) because then people can only afford to patronize Walmart or Amazon, not their local stores.
Conservatives like to act as though raising minimum wage will kill local businesses despite the fact that that is not how that works.
Turns out when people have money to spend they spend across the board, both places like walmart/amazon and also the local stores
I mean, yes, but they have the choice.
And it's not a new concept either, it has been proven many times and there's plenty of case studies. High speed rail too, all over Europe, China and Japan. But when your job has been given to you by an oil company donation...
Besides that, people are struggling to make ends meet. If the city pays them to do something, that money isn't just staying in saving accounts. They are going to spend it, likely very very soon.
Conservatives are stupid, basically. Given a set of facts they will draw back conclusions
I assume oil companies broke the brain of the worst americans so now they only want what's best for oil companies, most of the time without even realising it.
Its so obvious top which is the most annoying thing. Cars are freedom. Well, no, they're actually a huge liability that cost a small fortune and lose that value, and then you're tethered to a gas pump forever.
Or I could, I don't know, take public transit anywhere I wanted to go. You know, freedom to choose other things
It's an investment to the public, not a direct injection of cash/investment that they will directly benefit from.
I agree but I think we are currently driving past that place in history where everything is based on buying and selling things for money. The current imbalance of capital is slowly catching on to the rest of the world, not just the ones who've known it all along.