Flood the zone with so much fake news about dprk, all of which most people would find shocking but positive, and eventually all dprk news will become forced into meaninglessness in the minds of most people.

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 37 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

This is a frivolous and counterproductive idea.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 4 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Reasoning?

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The other person is correct, but to elaborate: The ability of this idea to succeed is ridiculous on its face, since one side has the backing of western-aligned media from several different countries, including the US, which remains the strongest soft power in the world, and South Korea, which is pretty capable and has multiple industries dedicated to this pursuit, and the other side has a bunch of terminally-online communists. You will never achieve any degree of comparability in either output or credibility this way even if you waste your whole life doing it.

Secondly, and I regard this as somewhat more important, by trying to engage in industrial level deception on such ridiculous grounds, you are discrediting yourself and communists generally for fucking nothing.

It's so much easier to just take the line that it doesn't matter if you hate the DPRK, the sanctions are only hurting the people of the DPRK and nukes are the only thing preventing the US from invading them and making things even worse. You don't need to be an ML to understand this, and in fact can understand this as a liberal. Yes, you typically can't get to people by telling them a single sentence, but I beg you to just seriously consider weighing this simple and relatively agnostic argument against whatever level of output and laundering is required to be psychologically comparable to the propaganda mills of several advanced countries combined by just spewing silly bullshit that doesn't have any of the same institutional mechanisms for feigning credibility behind it.

It's complete nonsense. I swear to God that this website wasn't always on the "what if we did socialism but pretended it was a different, anti-socialist ideology with a different name" tier of having just complete contempt for the population and making "strategies" that are literally just wishcasting. If there was ever an actual basis for that "be normal" dogma, it is this, because I don't see how adults can get this way except by being stuck too deeply in cults, the internet, or their own heads.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 5 hours ago

The ability of this idea to succeed is ridiculous on its face, since one side has the backing of western-aligned media from several different countries, including the US, which remains the strongest soft power in the world, and South Korea, which is pretty capable and has multiple industries dedicated to this pursuit, and the other side has a bunch of terminally-online communists. You will never achieve any degree of comparability in either output or credibility this way even if you waste your whole life doing it.

You could make this exact argument of Israel Palestine.

Secondly, and I regard this as somewhat more important, by trying to engage in industrial level deception on such ridiculous grounds, you are discrediting yourself and communists generally for fucking nothing.

Nobody is saying do it from accounts that are visibly communist. Who does disinformation campaigns on main?

I swear to God that this website wasn't always on the "what if we did socialism but pretended it was a different, anti-socialist ideology with a different name" tier of having just complete contempt for the population and making "strategies" that are literally just wishcasting.

Nobody has contempt for the population in this conversation. There are different levels of political awareness and education though, the highest of which forms the vanguard and the lowest of which (the majority) must be led to the correct prerequisites for the outcomes we desire. This isn't contempt and if you're reading it as such it is in error. Acknowledging that some people are at a low level of education and awareness is not contempt for them, failing to acknowledge that they are and always will be is just denial.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

the veil of apathy and unknowability is crucial to keeping people complacent and helpless. misinformation only has reactionary utility. reality is left-coded.

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 9 hours ago

I don't agree. A substantial step towards improving people's views of DPRK is first to make them understand that everything they know about the DPRK is false. It is easier to do this by undermining all existing information of the DPRK than it is to teach people to become MLs where pro-DPRK beliefs become one of the last things people get into on that journey.

Undermining all information about the DPRK requires no education and no ideology. It is where the majority can be reached.

Only after this prerequisite has been achieved can you start having conversations with average people about what the DPRK really is, without them already being marxist-leninist of course.

[–] oliveoil@hexbear.net 2 points 13 hours ago

I agree. But to Awoo's credit, a lot of these chuds are just garbage in garbage out, that's why the lowest tier infoslop and infospam gets to them.

If you get a lot of nonsense out there it would risk the bourgeois having actually reasonable criticism, but it would get also get a lot of people away from idolizing Hilter and instead idolizing Kim.

It would still be reactionary though. The chuds would still go whereever the wind blows, and then say "huh, I was a lefty like you once - but then I learned the truth. Che Guevara and everything bro, super lefty. By the way Israel is amazing."

An actual person I've met. Proudly fascist.

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 6 points 21 hours ago

i'll fire up some LLMs to spew our trash