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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/comments/1p48x0x/can_anyone_confirm_are_modern_students_really/
Turns out that capitalism in decay produces an environment which is actively harmful to human growth and flourishing. Who could have predicted that?
Being able to use menus and user interfaces is a bit different to being able to read and comprehend any amount of text. I have conversations with people online everyday where I'm like "this person didn't actually understand what I wrote to them because their reading comprehension is so poor". Being functional online does not mean being in any way capable.
They would get lost in a terminal, which isn't a substitute for reading either. Although using a terminal does include reading documentation by using
man.not really? if you're in some program that has a shit load of menus, you don't know what 99% of that shit does. you just open the menu, look around for words you know and teach yourself what the program does that way. that's how most people in my (millennial) generation learned how to use computers. we had some bullshit class in school that taught us copy/paste and the rest we figured out on our own. kids are born now knowing how to copy/paste, they can figure out menus and interfaces just fine. it's older generations who are not able to comprehend menus and interfaces.
as far as your conversations with people online, that's just anecdotal and also completely based on your own perception in your own brain. you don't know if they comprehended it or not, maybe they just didn't feel what you were saying, don't agree with you and don't care to put the effort in to tell you why. doesn't necessarily mean their reading comprehension is low lmao
Yes really. There are a levels to comprehension. You can use UIs and menus with Lexical comprehension, that doesn't mean you can read well. Ability to use an interface is not comprehension, you're even admitting that yourself with your example? Just click around and learn what works, that's not comprehension. That doesn't mean a person has learned to read and comprehend, it just means they have specifically made themselves able to use that particular UI.
you can absolutely build comprehension by just clicking around and figuring out what works. me saying that isn't "proving anything" lol. it's not the be-all end-all but you can absolutely learn and comprehend by doing that. tons of people who are professional video and photo editors or whatever else taught themselves exactly like that. you're taking what i said as "JUST click around til it works". that's not what i said. but that's kind of how people figured out literally everything ever and the basis for all comprehension. they just started fucking around til they comprehended what output their input created. and again you don't know what level of comprehension anybody you're speaking to has. for all you know they think you have low comprehension.
i think we just disagree on this, that's fine comrade.
That's not reading comprehension. A person clicking around a bunch of menus can not read a piece of text and extract information from it.
This is a basic level 2 literacy question:
1 in 5 americans can't answer this question correctly currently and literacy is getting worse in america over time, these kids stand no chance.
Level 4 literacy (what I would consider a proper reading comprehension ability) is described as:
Only 12% of americans currently have this reading comprehension level.
yes, but this decline in literacy has been ongoing long before iphones and tiktok and what not
And for these kids it's going to get even worse. First their first 5 years are going to be learning from tiktok, then their school years are going to be them using AI to do all their work for them. They will learn very little.
i would want some hard proof this is actually what is going on rather than the same general decline in literacy that has been happening for decades
You don't get that proof until after its harmed people. You have to exercise some judgement without evidence to get ahead of these things.
what is the solution you're proposing here to stop this then? in my experience with kids they're just using AI to get past BS busy work but dont actually trust it, have u seen where kids are starting to say "that's AI" to refer to any lie?
There needs to be a comprehensive education campaign for adults about the need for 1-5s to have actual engagement with learning tools, not just being plopped in front of tiktok for hours on end. Television was less harmful for these kids because they were being plopped in front of children's tv which was intentionally designed to be educational content.
For AI? There isn't a solution besides reworking our entire approach to work. Unsupervised work can not be trusted as a source of being the kid's own attempt at words anymore. Any progress gauging based on unsupervised work is not reliable.
I could figure out a phone or tablet os that was 100% in Chinese, like every menu and all the characters could be in Chinese and I could probably figure out how to get in YouTube and surf the web and make calls.
That doesn't fucking mean I can read Chinese