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~20 hours ago I wrote...

I'm really shocked they didn't cave [within the first week or two]. I was nearly 100% certain they would.

I'll work on my Nostradamus more.

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[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 61 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

normie lib update: my dad, who has prior peddled the "Biden was the most progressive president since FDR" line and was subscribed to Jen Rubin’s Substack just a year prior is now cursing out Chuck Schumer and calling for everyone who caves to be ostracized from politics

[–] nasezero@hexbear.net 44 points 5 days ago (1 children)

At least, when the dems cave we can get a lot of mileage out of pointing out their class collaboration. I've been doing my best to plant seeds about how our blue state gov's inaction against ICE, all while his state troopers actively protect them, amounts to nazi collaboration, and even normal libs seem pissed off enough to actually be receptive to this idea.

There are absolutely huge fissures in both dominant ideologies in this country right now that seem likely to only spiral further out of their control; it's a really unique moment for us to exploit.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 25 points 5 days ago

and even normal libs seem pissed off enough to actually be receptive to this idea.

That guy that keeps yapping, Pritzker, all the libs seem to love him and yet he has done less than shit against ICE.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 34 points 5 days ago (1 children)

calling for everyone who caves to be...

I want to finish that sentence another way. But that would be fedposting.

[–] WhyEssEff@hexbear.net 32 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

yeah he’s not there yet, but who knows how things will play out. it’s interesting how even some hyperpartisan laymen are beginning loathe their masters. Very interesting that the only base of uncritical support left may be party staff and colleagues. I will watch this situation with interest. I am quite interested in what may result from this.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Is there a good "Join us" meme for situations were we can hope liberals move left? I googled but I got nowhere.

Ninja edit. There's Darth Vader's "Join me" but I can't figure out a way I like to make that work.

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 14 points 5 days ago

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/why-not-visit-edits

come on down to Communism

we got

rolly pollys [shiny Chinese train]

And whatever goofy names/pictures you can come up with for free housing, voting for your boss, free medical care, not bombing people, and free education.

[–] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 6 points 5 days ago

On the subject of lib dads, my almost 80 year old "progressive" liberal father still thinks the Democrats are these leftwing pillars of opposition to Trump, who is the cause of the US's slide into fascism rather than a symptom (an inevitability of the fascism that has always been embedded in US liberal "democracy"). He was using my own reliance on SNAP and how I wouldn't be able to get food this month as proof that I was foolish to oppose the Democratic Party, telling me "I know you think Democrats and Republicans are the same, but you wouldn't be losing your only way to buy food if a Democrat was president!" When I tried to start explaining the Overton Window to him, he said "There's still a left and a right and the Democrats are on the left," and refused to speak to me further when I said something about how that was like thinking the Wiemar Republic was a great left wing pillar of opposition to the rise of the right in 1920s Germany.

I have little doubt that he'll see this pathetic caving by the Dems and think it was an unfortunate but necessary political move made because the good Democrats really want to help poor people get their benefits back. He used to watch Amy Goodman and likes the Motorcycle Diaries movie so he thinks he's a leftist.