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[–] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 30 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They still have to make that money back somehow though. They can't just put a load of investment down on AI, make zero money off it (or worse, less than zero) and then expect everything to be fine with the existing profits. They need to raise revenue from existing streams to cover for the loss they just incurred by doing AI. That, or cut costs, which means layoffs, which means people have less money, meaning they spend less money, which means businesses make less money, so they do layoffs, and so on and so on leading to a recession.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 16 points 4 days ago (2 children)

US taxpayes will be proud to carry this burden, as always.

Privatize profits, socialize losses. The American (and thus global) way

[–] princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

the american exceptionalism reeks with this* one

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I could understand the arguments about banks being too big to fail, because normal people and businesses have their money tied up in them.

But is Meta too big to fail? Are any of the tech giants too big to fail? Let them.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Especially after the 2008 debacle.

[–] KingArnulf@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

They are too big to fail because the politicians that are suckling at their teats say they are. If those companies go under, the ~~bribes~~, er donations dry up. They won't let that happen. Millions, if not billions, of dollars are being funneled into the policical machinery to make sure that when the bubble pops, the people responsible will not pay any real price for it. It'll be the workers and the tax payers who will have to clean up the mess while the ones who created it will sail off into the Caribbean on their newest super yacht.

[–] atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 points 4 days ago

When you look at how the stock market works and who invests in it, yes it is too big to fail. We have moved away from companies providing pensions to retirees.

What we moved to us stuff like IRAs and 401K's. Occasionally you'll see an SEP. But what you have to understand about that is a lot of the general public's retirement savings are accruing value by being invested in the stock market.

I know that a lot of media portrays this as a thing that makes it seem pretty farfetched but the stock market and most of the commodities traded there are too big to fail because their profitability and stock price is what the US retirement system (if you can call it that) is based on.

Even social security is invested in the stock market. A lot of people don't think they're investing anything in the stock market and therefore crashes, dips, and even the bankruptcy of publicly traded companies doesn't effect them. They're not usually right about that.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago (4 children)

I don't know the exact numbers but I doubt these 7 companies employ enough people to cause a recession even if they fired everyone. Hell, they are laying of a lot of their employees already.

[–] Liz@midwest.social 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

The economy is weird man, it's all about collective vibes. If enough people in the right places care about these companies, they'll see small changes and freak out, making their own small changes and so on and so forth.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Vibes is a pretty loose way of putting it. It’s about information and lack thereof. Like a poker game or a real time strategy game. You might have some idea what your opponents are doing but you don’t know exactly what it is, and you don’t know if it’s actually going to work or not. You also have plenty of cash (minerals, vespene gas) to spend on a possible defence that may not work out.

Or it will never work out because you tied 20% of your company's value to vaporware and the bad vibes cause panic selling of your stock.

One third of the stock market's value suddenly dropping by 80% would definitely have wider reaching affects on other companies, leading to further issues.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

over 2.3 million people. yeah it'd be pretty big.

[–] DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 2 points 4 days ago

Wou... Is that globally?