It's not as bad as all that, kinda. The soft-style breads you get in US supermarkets often have crusts that are very bitter to the highly sensitive bitter receptors children have, and which die off as you finish adolescence. It's the basis for the idea of foods being an "acquired taste" and why children are so often portrayed as hating vegetables, to the perplexity of adults. The adult palate shifts sensitivity away from sweet and bitter flavours to umami and saltiness, and no longer finds things like kale or coffee or beer or brussel sprouts (yes I know about the new species no they aren't less bitter) to be offensively flavoured. These things exist (intentionally or not) as a result of that largely culturally unknown shift and are an alright compromise for children particularly sensitive to their regional breads to have at least some portable calories in a sandwich format.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago

why the hell is your toast bread bitter, wtf

i'm super sensitive to bitterness (i cannot drink alcohol or coffee, and olive oil tastes like motor oil to me) and i have never in my life noticed even the vaguest bitterness from any sort of unburnt bread!

[–] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 29 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Looks like the studies back you up. Also explains why there is so much sugar in children's foods. It says in the article that it's because it helps you avoid poison, but aren't some poisons sweet?

In spite of these reductions, however, children’s intake of sugar remains higher than that recommended by health organizations worldwide. In contrast to sweet taste, children dislike and reject bitter taste, which protects them from ingesting poisons. Although variation in bitter taste receptor genes such as TAS2R38 accounts for people’s marked differences in perceptions of the same bitter-tasting compounds, basic research revealed that these genotype-phenotype relationships are modified with age, with children of the same genotype being more bitter sensitive than adults and the changeover occurring during mid adolescence.

In this article, we review findings from basic, experimental research in children that suggest the liking of sweet taste and the dislike of bitter taste are not solely a product of modern-day technology and advertising, but are reflective of children’s basic biology.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4654709/

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Glad I'm not forgetting things in my dotteringly old age!

The reasoning for why this is, as I remember it, is that most poisons found in flora are deterrents "designed" to dissuade mammals from consuming whichever part is poisonous, and are not outright deadly. That's why many fruits are perfectly edible even when the rest of the plant is toxic (yew berries, for example); it's beneficial for the plant to have it's seeds spread, but eating the stems / leaves / roots are all extremely harmful to the plant. Children, with their much lower body mass and tendency to stick everything into their mouths as a first reaction, are much more likely to be killed by a small amount of a poisonous plant and as a result need to be far more sensitive to trace amounts of a toxic substance in order to survive. Since sweet poisons tend to be manufactured rather than naturally occurring, they wouldn't have had an impact on the evolution of this trait.

(edit: Don't eat yew berries. While the seeds will usually pass through your digestion without releasing toxins, if you chew a seed accidentally you're gonna have a really unpleasant experience. They are, however, extremely delecious. Don't eat them though. Even though they're amazing. Don't do it. God, I can almost taste them right now. But you can't, because you've never tried them. Which is good. Eating yew berries is something you should not do.)

[–] MonkeyTown@midwest.social 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Instructions extremely unclear..

Died.

Shit this one doesn’t even work for that does it?

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

No but really don't do it, you'll shit and vomit yourself into a coma (literally) and that is just no fun for anyone. Almost worth it, god they're tasty. But not quite worth it. It's close, though.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

do they taste like anything so i can imagine it?

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They taste quite sweet and oaky, without being overpowering. I've heard them compared to sweet fir tips too, which is not a bad comparison. Joking aside they're pretty damn tasty but they aren't really worth the risk of eating a seed. While just one won't kill an adult they will make you super sick, and can really mess up a kid.

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 12 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Some poisonous things are sweet, but a lot of natural poisons (and drugs) are bitter; alkaloids in general are bitter.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Also natural selection is much more biased against alkaloids (which are often found in plants similar to food) than against the sorts of sweet poisons like lead which is slow to kill and only widely present in very harmful doses thanks to refinement.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 days ago

My mom told us that "taste buds change every 7 years" but that each individual tastebud was on its own 7 year cycle, so one could change at any time. Try it today, you may hate it. Try it tomorrow, you may love it.

Made us very adventurous eaters as kids, and if we didn't like something she never forced us to eat it. But we were always willing to try it again later on.

Except for raw oysters. That's a texture thing. Shudder

[–] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Weird, the only thing I hated as a kid, was beer, olives, coffee(unless it was coffee crisps) and coca cola. My taste buds are still the same for over +25 years. Most of my family can't handle anything "exotic" like greek, japanese, or other cultural foods. While I love tasting new foods, and wines.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Like all things biological, some people ~~are just fuckin' weirdos~~ do not follow the standard developmental cycles. Your tastes may start changing, or may never change, and those are all perfectly reasonable outcomes.

[–] CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I like everything, except extreme bitter. I have never been picky. Brussel sprouts are amazing grilled with a light oil, and salt.

[–] Warl0k3@lemmy.world 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

all perfectly reasonable outcomes.

Alright! I'm envious, personally. I have always been very sensitive to bitter flavours.

[–] Ganbat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 4 days ago

Hm... Interesting. I'm in my thirties and those things haven't really changed for me. I still can't stand the taste of beer or coffee without a lot of additives, and the crust on breads is still very bitter to me. I actually brought up bread crust being bitter to some friends a while back because I was musing about why adults are just meant to suck it up and eat this despite the taste, and they had no idea what I was talking about.