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When US Americans get painted this way, it feels like a "Humans- Fuck Yeah" story. Like I'm just so used to us having our downsides highlighted that it feels special to be seen for a positive attribute
I feel like these stories provide second-hand catharsis, but I don't know if it's necessarily a positive light.
Yeah seems like committing a violent crime in response to a petty crime to me.
Humans work off of incentives and risk. If there's essentially no consequences for pickpocketting and the incentive is quite high with expensive phones and cash potential, the balance is way out of proportion. A good chance of getting your shit rocked brings it a bit more in line.
The possibility of getting shot or stabbed is way out of proportion the other way. That's the problem with America. You can't even give someone the bird when they nearly crash into you without fear of getting shot.
I don't agree with characterizing being robbed from as not a big deal, especially when it's as physically intimate as pickpocketing.
Maybe it's no big deal to lose a bit of money if you're rich, but I would be truly fucked to lose my phone or wallet, and more than inconvenienced to lose money or objects which would need to be replaced with money.
But more than that is the sense of violation. What gives someone the right to come into my home or put hands on my body and take my personal things? It's dehumanizing. It feels disgusting to be treated that way. Of course I'm going to defend myself.
Pickpocketing is non violent. It is theft.
Robbery involves the use or threat of violence. It is a violent crime.
The two should not be conflated in either direction. Also pickpocketing does not happen at peoples homes, but in public spaces. This is different from break-ins which are a more serious crime as they violate the private living spaces of people on top of violating their property rights.
I don't think whether an attack is physically violent should play a role in whether someone is allowed to use violence to defend themselves. Plenty of forms of sexual assault are non-violent in the sense that they don't cause bodily harm to the victim, but I still think you should be allowed to resort to violent methods of stopping/preventing them. Things like gropings, upskirt photography, etc are a form of psychological violence in my opinion.
What is the reasoning behind this distinction? Are you suggesting it's okay to defend your home with violence?
To come at this from another angle, do you think theft should be legal? If not, why is it okay for the state to enact violence on perpetrators, but not victims?
Dude, i didnt make any remark on what forms of self defense are appropriate. I merely pointed out that robbery is a violent crime, wheras theft is not.
Subsequently robbery is facing harsher sentences than simple theft and it is important to distinguish the two, or any other forms of crime for that matter. There is a reason why all sorts of crime have been defined specifically and differently from each other.
Couldn't give less of a fuck, if someone steals from me they're gonna face the consequences
My reponse would be extremely violent if I were to be pick pocketed that’s for sure. I would not even feel bad at their injuries.
And no one would feel bad when the police in a country with reasonable laws takes you to jail for assaulting someone because of petty theft.
What is this Judge Dredd garbage people from the US often seem so proud of? That stand your ground thinking is only accepted in the violent bubble you guys seem to live in and accept as normal. It's not normal anywhere else. This is why your police can kill unarmed people on video every week with zero consequences, and with no one batting an eye. Even in the most repressive societies, the security forces have the good sense of killing people in secret, not on video every week. This level of violence is not normal, and you as a regular person don't benefit by internalizing it as your personal life philosophy.
Your attempt at the high road is hilariously pathetic and ignorant to the world.
Your attempt to act like a big man who will always win in a fight and not end up dead yourself trying to protect your pittance of property is hilariously pathetic and ignorant to the world.
You weren’t raised by wolves. You wouldn’t get it.
Edit* Found and read the article, it never said the Americans beating up the pickpockets got charged with anything. Shit one had fake elctric wallets to shock the shit out of thieves and only got em confiscated. Seems to me more beat downs would be welcome by the French police of pick pockets. Unless they're on the take.
Pickpocketing is robbery, my guy.
Just because it is done stealthily doesn't mean i wasn't robbed of my goods
I think you’re mixing up the words “theft” and “robbery”. Robbery always specifically indicates violence.
Yeah let's get dragged into semantics.
Does violence only happen in physical form? Because the time I was pickpocketed left me paranoid for years. The violence inflicted upon me didn't leave me physically hurting, you're definitely correct there.
It left me emotionally fucked for years.
Precise definitions are important in law. Someone threatening or using physical violence is a more severe crime. Conflating the two is detrimental to everyone.
Bless you trying to be sensible, but most in the US seem to have internalized violence as a virtue. Their feelings being hurt seems to mean someone has to get physically hurt to pay.
So the guy being paranoid because they were pick pocketed above somehow feels like he would avoid the impact if he gets to physically hurt the thief. He can't see how normal people don't really enjoy physically hurting others, and want to avoid it. They're not normal in his eyes, they're 'pussies' smdh.
Jesus I thought assumptions about others was more a thing of Reddit, not here. The user you're talking about simply stated they felt violated heavily by such, not that they'd inflict violence specifically.
My apartment was burglarized over a decade ago and I'm only just now getting over the trauma of it mostly. I had nightmares for years about coming home and my front door being wide open, and everything being gone. I lost sleep waking up repeatedly from these nightmares.
It's easy to point fingers when you haven't been traumatized by an event yourself. Have an ounce of fucking empathy here. Neither that person nor I want to hurt folks at all, and I absolutely wouldn't be able to hurt someone who broke into my place even if I was home besides yelling and trying to scare them off by making a loud racket. But that doesn't mean we weren't violated in some fashion.
Like the other commenter in the thread about his wife elbowing a pickpocket, that's not actually going to hurt or damage anyone but it'll startle the hell out of them to run off. It's not like she beat him or made him bleed, at worst he got a bruise for a couple hours.
Anyway great to know more folks give zero shits about mental health clearly.
LMAO because Americans really care about the conditions that drive people to crime. Solving the issue of poverty solves a lot of crime, but fuck caring about the mental health of those driven to crime. We only care about the mental health of people who are doing well.
I want some of what you're smoking. US society is absolutely fucked.
Yes stealing my money and property is the same as getting my feelings hurt. Giant pussies, not just normal sized ones.
Yes, but in America it is acceptable to shoot an unarmed teenager running away for stealing a candy bar, so not exactly preaching to the choir here
Hell, there’s at least one story of a black teenager being shot because he rang someone’s doorbell to ask for help.