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[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 53 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

I feel like these stories provide second-hand catharsis, but I don't know if it's necessarily a positive light.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah seems like committing a violent crime in response to a petty crime to me.

[–] hobovision@mander.xyz 16 points 8 hours ago

Humans work off of incentives and risk. If there's essentially no consequences for pickpocketting and the incentive is quite high with expensive phones and cash potential, the balance is way out of proportion. A good chance of getting your shit rocked brings it a bit more in line.

The possibility of getting shot or stabbed is way out of proportion the other way. That's the problem with America. You can't even give someone the bird when they nearly crash into you without fear of getting shot.

[–] stray@pawb.social 12 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I don't agree with characterizing being robbed from as not a big deal, especially when it's as physically intimate as pickpocketing.

Maybe it's no big deal to lose a bit of money if you're rich, but I would be truly fucked to lose my phone or wallet, and more than inconvenienced to lose money or objects which would need to be replaced with money.

But more than that is the sense of violation. What gives someone the right to come into my home or put hands on my body and take my personal things? It's dehumanizing. It feels disgusting to be treated that way. Of course I'm going to defend myself.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org -2 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Pickpocketing is non violent. It is theft.

Robbery involves the use or threat of violence. It is a violent crime.

The two should not be conflated in either direction. Also pickpocketing does not happen at peoples homes, but in public spaces. This is different from break-ins which are a more serious crime as they violate the private living spaces of people on top of violating their property rights.

[–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

My reponse would be extremely violent if I were to be pick pocketed that’s for sure. I would not even feel bad at their injuries.

[–] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip -3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

And no one would feel bad when the police in a country with reasonable laws takes you to jail for assaulting someone because of petty theft.

What is this Judge Dredd garbage people from the US often seem so proud of? That stand your ground thinking is only accepted in the violent bubble you guys seem to live in and accept as normal. It's not normal anywhere else. This is why your police can kill unarmed people on video every week with zero consequences, and with no one batting an eye. Even in the most repressive societies, the security forces have the good sense of killing people in secret, not on video every week. This level of violence is not normal, and you as a regular person don't benefit by internalizing it as your personal life philosophy.

[–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 15 minutes ago)

You weren’t raised by wolves. You wouldn’t get it.

Edit* Found and read the article, it never said the Americans beating up the pickpockets got charged with anything. Shit one had fake elctric wallets to shock the shit out of thieves and only got em confiscated. Seems to me more beat downs would be welcome by the French police of pick pockets. Unless they're on the take.

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Pickpocketing is robbery, my guy.

Just because it is done stealthily doesn't mean i wasn't robbed of my goods

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 3 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Pickpocketing is a form of larceny that involves the stealing of money or other valuables from the person or a victim's pocket without them noticing the theft at the time.

Robbery[a] is the crime of taking or attempting to take anything of value by force, threat of force, or use of fear. According to common law, robbery is defined as taking the property of another, with the intent to permanently deprive the person of that property, by means of force or fear; that is, it is a larceny or theft accomplished by an assault.[2] Precise definitions of the offence may vary between jurisdictions. Robbery is differentiated from other forms of theft (such as burglary, shoplifting, pickpocketing, or car theft) by its inherently violent nature (a violent crime); whereas many lesser forms of theft are punished as misdemeanors, robbery is always a felony in jurisdictions that distinguish between the two.

[–] Velypso@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah let's get dragged into semantics.

Does violence only happen in physical form? Because the time I was pickpocketed left me paranoid for years. The violence inflicted upon me didn't leave me physically hurting, you're definitely correct there.

It left me emotionally fucked for years.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Precise definitions are important in law. Someone threatening or using physical violence is a more severe crime. Conflating the two is detrimental to everyone.

[–] DistrictSIX@lemmy.zip 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Bless you trying to be sensible, but most in the US seem to have internalized violence as a virtue. Their feelings being hurt seems to mean someone has to get physically hurt to pay.

So the guy being paranoid because they were pick pocketed above somehow feels like he would avoid the impact if he gets to physically hurt the thief. He can't see how normal people don't really enjoy physically hurting others, and want to avoid it. They're not normal in his eyes, they're 'pussies' smdh.

[–] 5in1k@lemmy.zip 1 points 21 minutes ago* (last edited 21 minutes ago)

Yes stealing my money and property is the same as getting my feelings hurt. Giant pussies, not just normal sized ones.

[–] AlexLost@lemmy.world 33 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, but in America it is acceptable to shoot an unarmed teenager running away for stealing a candy bar, so not exactly preaching to the choir here

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

Hell, there’s at least one story of a black teenager being shot because he rang someone’s doorbell to ask for help.