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We're apparently not speaking the language. I'm a liberal, and I'm a socialist.
Because
You
Don't
Know
What
Either
Liberal
Or
Socialist
Means
I don't appreciate your condescending tone telling me that I don't know what the words I use to describe myself mean. You can kindly fuck off with your misplaced elitism.
No, like, you don't know what that word means, dude, being a socialist is quite literally antithetical to being a liberal, what the fuck are you on about???
That makes no sense. So liberals are capitalists then conservatives are what... Socialists?
Liberals are capitalists, conservatives are, economically, liberals.
I'm flabbergasted, Americans really don't know what liberal means lmao. Pull up Wikipedia dude.
Interesting. You sound like an American on Reddit confidently telling someone, "That's not a chicken burger, it's a chicken sandwich!" Different countries and groups can have different words for things.
Terrible analogy, the word has a clearly defined meaning and you are misunderstanding it by it's definition, it's not a case of different words for a similar meaning.
Further proving my point.
Literally.
In Lemmy, and I would say in the Fediverse in general, the population skews left. That means there are more terms to describe the spectrum. Mainstream media and social media label anyone centrist and towards the left as liberals. And of course the Far Right labels the same people as socialists scum.
My rubric for here in the fediverse is as follows. Liberals are generally referred to as capitalists and/or believe capitalism is still the best economic system that only needs minor reforms, along with social justice reforms. Tankies are generally the ones that want to enforce the social and economic reforms with an iron fist, even against the populace at large if necessary. Leftists are generally anarcho-something (socialist/communist), and believe major change is needed beyond the system we have in place now.
Again, that’s my rubric, and I’m sure other people have their own.
Pretty spot on observation! I've been on the fediverse since 2015 (mastodon) and leftists and libertarians were definitely the original fediverse folk. I was more right leaning back then, wasn't as averse to calling ancaps anarchists but now I am definitely not holding that view anymore. 2020 changed shit. Ancaps aren't here to help anarchists.
Do you wish to end capitalism? If your answer is no, you are, in fact, a liberal—completely agree
There are a bunch of folks in some of the skeevier corners of the fediverse that think Liberalism means Capitalism, which does have some truth as the ability to own and sell goods would be a right Liberalism might protect, which they in turn view as the source of all evil.
Nevermind the fact that their political ideal has no real world equivalent aside from maybe Bhutan where the vast majority of people live like medieval peasants and their entire system of government exists to enrich a few elite off of the world's most expensive tourism.
Yes, we typically consider liberalism (you all may know it as classical liberalism as well, it, too, counts as liberalism) equivalent to capitalism
We (I'm speaking for anarchists and socialists) are leftists. This is what we stand against: Capitalism and the ownership of the means of production being held by the owner/capitalist class. We wish property to be held by the working class—the laborers. We are socialists. This means property goes bye bye—Property is Theft!! (thank you Pierre Jospeh Proudhon :)This is the socialist ideal, it is incompatible with liberalism and its capitalist necessities. It's this thinking that makes liberals and tankies hate anarchist socialists—we go against the order they seek. They, too, realize it's incompatibilities.