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Three individuals targeted National Gallery paintings an hour after Phoebe Plummer and Anna Holland were jailed for similar attack in 2022

Climate activists have thrown tomato soup over two Sunflowers paintings by Vincent van Gogh, just an hour after two others were jailed for a similar protest action in 2022.

Three supporters of Just Stop Oil walked into the National Gallery in London, where an exhibition of Van Gogh’s collected works is on display, at 2.30pm on Friday afternoon, and threw Heinz soup over Sunflowers 1889 and Sunflowers 1888.

The latter was the same work targeted by Phoebe Plummer and Anna Holland in 2022. That pair are now among 25 supporters of Just Stop Oil in jail for climate protests.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago

So if throwing paint at a entierly replaceable cover for a dusty old painting is too far gone to be acceptable, what action can we take to stop oil production?

God, I wish someone could actually trace the train of events that would lead to reduced oil production from this other than some bizarre notion that throwing soup at a priceless artifact of human heritage will Energize The Masses(tm) or suddenly convince people who think climate change is a hoax or overblown that it's actually a serious problem.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago

Imagine if these activists spent more time going after companies benefiting from fossil fuel production rather than throwing soup in museums...

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 4 hours ago

Imagine if all the people I disagree with did the thing I wanted...

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

I'm sure you've never suggested people doing something might be better off spending their time doing something else, but most people have.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 hours ago

Then they would be in cages already.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

I brought up Karen Silkwood and Erin Brockovich elsewhere. They were not put in cages. They were just willing to do some very hard work rather than just stunts.

Then we wouldn’t be talking about stopping oil production right now.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago

We've literally been talking about it for decades. An Inconvenient Truth won the Oscar in 2006. What has talking about it accomplished?

That’s not my point. Everytime they deface something, we start talking again about stopping oil production. Sure we talk about it without that push too. But this means we start talking about it more.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago

When has talking about ending reliance on fossil fuels ever stopped? I don't remember it stopping.

Most people are aware that the Earth is warming and fossil fuels are the cause. There's nothing you or I can do about that. It's the corporations that have to be stopped. I can't stop them. You can't stop them. Talking about them won't stop them and neither will throwing cans of soup.

In fact, I have no idea what will stop them, but talking sure as fuck won't.

[-] Elvisual@lemm.ee 3 points 10 hours ago

So we should just stop trying anything and do nothing?

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world -3 points 10 hours ago

Throwing soup in art galleries is worse than doing nothing.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 hours ago

Pat yourself on the back then.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -1 points 10 hours ago

There is a massive, massive gulf between "never try anything" and "throw soup at paintings in the hopes of making people aware of a problem they're already aware of and not just get pissed off at you."

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world -2 points 10 hours ago

Bit we're not talking about stopping oil production. We're talking about how stupid and pointless defacing art is.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 hours ago

~~We’re~~ I'm talking about how stupid and pointless defacing art is.

FTFY.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago

Right, I see you must have trouble reading.

[-] zbyte64@awful.systems 1 points 4 hours ago

We're now talking about whatever i am talking about, which is reading comprehension, not how dumb this protest is.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago

They've done that too, and have encountered media blackouts.

As nice as it would be if they could simply fix the climate problem with the disruption a handful of protests cause, they can't, and need to draw public attention to the problem.

These demonstrations open up the conversation in threads like this - you agree there's a problem, you agree these protests don't fix the problem, so let's talk about what will.

I feel like we’re kind of entering an era where direct action and ecology-motivated terrorism are going to start becoming a thing. And I’m honestly not sure that would be a bad thing.

[-] BrightCandle@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Peaceful protests have not worked, disruptive protests have been widely villified and the protestors jailed for very long sentences. If you are facing 2-3 years for holding up a banner or throwing some paint seems like criminal damage of a fossil fuel facility isn't likely to net more years. As many have said in the past governments ignore peaceful protests at their peril, because once its clear that doesn't work they become not peaceful.

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

If everything is illegal, nothing is illegal.

If you’re gonna get thrown in jail if you’re caught regardless, why not go for broke?

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 11 hours ago

Assuming there's no collateral damage to speak of, I'd argue it would be an act of self-defence for the benefit of all of us. In principle, I'd struggle to find reason to be upset by it.

[-] JayDee@lemmy.ml 4 points 10 hours ago

There will be collateral damage. There always is. The idea there wouldn't be collateral damage is already setting the bar higher than is feasible.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

I don't think that's true at all, but if it is, it becomes a question of whether that damage is outweighed by the benefit of the action.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world -1 points 13 hours ago

Well, clearly not throwing crap at paintings. Now I want to see these guys arrested and thrown in jail.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

Seems to me that it would be pretty difficult to encounter a media blackout to do this sort of thing at, for example, global climate summits, oil company shareholder meetings, etc.

But I'm not seeing much soup being thrown there.

[-] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 33 points 1 day ago

In Germany, protestors repeatedly shut oil pipelines off and locked themselves to the valves to prevent their reopening, blocking oil flow for several hours every time. I consume a lot of news, both mainstream and in my leftist bubble. That story barely registered anywhere.

The exact same protestors threw mashed potatoes at a Van Gogh. They were the main headline for over a week.

Hell, some guy set himself on fire a few years ago and it was in the news for half a day.

The media blackout is real, but it's not a huge conspiracy. It's just that the media reports on what gets them clicks, and nothing generates clicks like outrage. That's why so much reporting also conveniently forgets to mention that the paintings are protected by plexiglass and nothing ever got damaged. But all the controversy gets people talking, and some people will inevitably question what drives people to do something like that. That is the real objective. If they wanted to be popular, they'd to greenwashed recycling videos on YouTube instead, or whatever else is hip with the neoliberal peddlers of personal responsibility at the moment.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

And how will this get corporations to stop drilling for and selling and taking advantage of fossil fuels? How do you get from throwing soup to that?

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 2 points 11 hours ago

You stop the problem from being buried under the fact that everyone is struggling to get by, or distracted by whatever the fuck the likes of the Kardashians are up to. You bring it to the forefront and prompt conversations like these - conversations where someone might realise that to stay the course on this one is to roll down the road to the apocalypse, and maybe they'd like to do something about that.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -2 points 11 hours ago

When has it ever been buried? When? Point out a time when climate change was not a major issue being discussed in the last 20 years. And I don't mean just for a day or two like after January 6th, 2020.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

By 'media blackout' they mean 'it was a blip on the radar like this is, but this is NOW and thus relevant and important'

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -4 points 1 day ago

The people who talk about 'media blackouts' also seem to forget that everyone has an internet-connected video camera in their pockets.

[-] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 4 points 11 hours ago

What are you even trying to say here? That any bastard with a camera and something to show will magically be seen, or that everyone with a smartphone is going to be aware of everything that affects them? Because neither of those things is remotely close to the way the world works.

You were aware of the JSO protesters shutting down the oil pipeline? If and that's a big "if" so, do you think the average schmuck is? No. But chances are that they're aware of the stunts like the soup.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 11 hours ago

You were aware of the JSO protesters shutting down the oil pipeline?

Yes.

If and that’s a big “if” so, do you think the average schmuck is? No.

Agreed.

But chances are that they’re aware of the stunts like the soup.

Which helps how? Does it end the reliance on fossil fuels? The world has been aware that fossil fuel dependence is causing global warming. What can you or I do about it? Nothing. We don't control the fossil fuel companies.

This whole idea that somehow "awareness" is going to do anything about this problem after decades of people doing these sort of stunts is ludicrous.

[-] Nuke_the_whales@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago

Right? Go throw soup at Darren Woods or one of the oil execs, not at a painting

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Remember when famous assholes used to get pies in the face? What happened to that?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tHGmSh7f-0

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I remember when people would throw animal blood on rich fucks going to gala events who were wearing fur.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Right? I admit I don't have the bravery it takes to do stuff like that, but it seems like neither does anyone else anymore.

[-] sensiblepuffin@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

So... that's straight up assaut. There's a good reason why they changed tactics, and it's mostly because throwing soup at a Plexiglas barrier is 100x less destructive to property than covering valuable furs with blood.

I find it absolutely mind-boggling that you all are acknowledging that protests that make people uncomfortable are what works, then coming to the conclusion "but not like this, you can't protest like this, that's ridiculous!"

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world -4 points 14 hours ago

Heaven forbid oil executives get assaulted with soup or pies!

that protests that make people uncomfortable are what works

I didn't say they would work. None of this sort of activism will get the world to stop using fossil fuels because that involves getting corporations to stop doing it. And no amount of throwing food at anyone or anything will solve that.

But at least throwing food at the executives will be amusing.

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[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Can I request an article or at least a transcription?

[-] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 2 points 1 day ago

YouTube provides transcripts. It's in the discription on the website

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 0 points 1 day ago

YouTube provides transcripts.

Wow. I am behind the times. I'll look through it then.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago
[-] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 0 points 1 day ago

Also the section "jso critics" and "does it work"

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

"No art on a dead planet" is a braindead justification and does not in any way outline how vandalism of art is supposed to translate into climate activism, while the four criteria outlined for activism are valid but in no way provide a special justification for vandalism of cultural artifacts, which has a significantly greater backlash from the exact kind of educated people most likely to get involved in climate activism, and very little disruptive potential.

"I understand that we're pissing people off but there's no other way to get attention" and "Negative attention is good attention, because maybe it will cause people to become positively engaged with the cause" are not particularly compelling rebuttals in the critics section.

"JSO was central in setting the 2024 Labour agenda" is utterly deluded, while all the cited actions by their sister organizations in Europe are much more traditional instances of civil disobedience that have long-proven track records and a clear and logical progression of action-to-influence.

This really reinforces my view that JSO are terribly naive and have no real idea on how their actions will seriously lead to mass change of opinions on climate change.

[-] Aabbcc@lemm.ee 3 points 1 day ago

"No art on a dead planet" is a braindead justification and does not in any way outline how vandalism of art is supposed to translate into climate activism

If damaged art hurts your feelings get mad at the government killing all art on the planet and not the activists partially damaging some art.

"I understand that we're pissing people off but there's no other way to get attention" ... not particularly compelling rebuttals in the critics section

Why not? How else should they be getting attention?

"JSO was central in setting the 2024 Labour agenda" is utterly deluded,

I won't disagree

This really reinforces my view that JSO are terribly naive and have no real idea on how their actions will seriously lead to mass change of opinions on climate change.

Yeah I don't get the vibe from you that you'd change your view

Partially related but do you have any evidence that jso tactics has a "greater backlash from the exact kind of educated people most likely to get involved in climate activism" or is that kinda vibes based

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