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[-] ptz@dubvee.org 172 points 3 weeks ago

I'm with you on what the meme is trying to say, but the bottom track needs to be shown looping around to the Republican track and running over everyone.

Because that's where the third track leads.

[-] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 90 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Yep, not voting is unironically pretty much the same as voting for the party you least want in charge.

Because you're making it that much more likely.

Don't throw away a right that your ancestors fought for, as it may result in future generations no longer having that right.

[-] GraniteM@lemmy.world 20 points 3 weeks ago

Hitler's government was a popular government; the vast majority of Germans preferred the rule of gangsters to the effort of thinking and doing for themselves. They abdicated their franchise.

[...]

The former Berlin businessman I referred to earlier told me that he blamed his own group, people with the time and the money and the opportunity to know better, for what happened to Germany. "We ignored Hitler," he said. "We considered him an unimportant fellow, not quite a gentleman, not of our own class. We considered it just a little bit vulgar to bother with him, to bother with politics at all."

They thought of the government as "They." The only possible route to a clear conscience in politics is to accept political responsibility, either as an active member of the party in power or as an equally active member of the loyal opposition.

—Robert A. Heinlein, Take Back Your Government

[-] grue@lemmy.world 18 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Similarly, MLK saw "the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice" as the biggest impediment to civil rights.

The bottom line is that being secure enough in your position in society to think you don't have to engage in politics, or that you can afford to vote your principles instead of tactically, is itself a form of privilege. Those sorts of privileged people think themselves neutral or uninvolved or maybe (in the case of professed leftists refusing to vote Dem as a protest) on their own third side, but the reality is that they are the right-wing authoritarians' greatest ally every single time.

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[-] bazus1@lemmy.world 55 points 3 weeks ago

Like so?
Also, let's have 'im on the track too.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 23 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

"Oh, no, I'm not in any of those groups on the track, so I can safely not vote and have a clear conscience as it crushes everyone!"

Then they came for me...

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[-] Pacmanlives@lemmy.world 33 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

As someone who for the first time did not vote in 2016. I started voting in the Bush era. I fully agree, no action leads to fascism apparently. Don’t do what I did because I was pissed that Bernie was cheated out of the nomination. Vote or Trump will be back in office.

[-] CompassRed@discuss.tchncs.de 32 points 3 weeks ago

Doesn't matter where the track leads if the trolley can't get to it. It could lead to rainbows and sunshine, but that isn't where the trolley is headed because there is no possibility that someone other than Trump or Biden is elected president. A few cry babies voting third party won't get some third person elected. A vote for the third track is a vote for a track that will not be ridden.

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[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 98 points 3 weeks ago

I'm guessing the joke is that third party voters ignore the trolley about to go down one of two paths, instead deciding to stand next to a short piece of track connected to nothing with no trolley on it, so they can pretend the imminent disaster happening on the other track isn't real

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

And there's also a contingent of people on the trolley who are trying to get it to slow down, working their asses off to improve long term actual outcomes in the real world, whether related or not to the little lever, and the guy standing next to the empty disconnected track is claiming to be one of them and saying you must be against them and how dare you, you person-running-over-enabling monster, if you say anything against his strategy.

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee 43 points 3 weeks ago

This is why I, as an autistic person, think internally using a sort of infinite mechanical analog diagram sheet thing.

Physical analogies are beautiful for how quickly they can convey a concept. Those disconnected tracks are a great representation of the third party voting situation we face, the “throwaway vote” problem.

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[-] mycodesucks@lemmy.world 42 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] Mojave@lemmy.world 38 points 3 weeks ago

Blow up the train you spineless cowards

[-] Liz@midwest.social 28 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You'll have to be more specific about what blowing up the train maps to in real life before I can tell you whether or not doing so would also kill a shit ton of people.

But to keep it in metaphor, there are also innocent people riding the train and blowing it up would kill them, too.

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[-] Phegan@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago

The problem is that we have two choices, and we will never not have two choices unless we do something about it. I can both say that Joe Biden sucks and we should do better and also vote for him because the other option is worse. This discourse that makes it seem like any criticism of Biden is pro trump is how we will end up in a slightly less terrible place. Cool. Really looking forward to that.

Also like what the fuck...I guess we have to kill Palestinians no matter what.

There is a third fucking option and it's not doing a genocide.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 40 points 3 weeks ago

There is a third fucking option and it's not doing a genocide.

That's only an option if you have a viable strategy for accomplishing it.

[-] EatATaco@lemm.ee 21 points 3 weeks ago

Which, of course, they don't. It's a vanity vote. They want to pretend they have actually done something without actually having to do anything of consequence.

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The problem is that we have two choices

The problem is that we don't. If you're not in a "swing" state, all the votes in the world for Joe Biden are meaningless. Win California by another million votes. Win it by another 10M. Have every single eligible voter in California turn up and vote for Joe Biden. He still loses the EC when the SCOTUS tells Arizona to stop counting ballots the minute Trump is in the lead.

Also like what the fuck…I guess we have to kill Palestinians no matter what.

We have to keep sending money to Israel because its the means by which we control the Suez Canal.

Except... the Houthis have control over the back end of the canal so long as they're able to scare off shipping in the Gulf of Adan. So now we're endorsing a genocide just for shits and giggles.

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[-] Shardikprime@lemmy.world 37 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] Katana314@lemmy.world 36 points 3 weeks ago

It’s interesting how much the vote DOES resemble a trolley problem. Generally, the only real point in favor of not pulling the lever is “You’re killing someone, it’s immoral to get involved. Life shouldn’t be in your hands.”

Which is still setting aside all the conscious choice by other human beings that IS happening come election season. Probably the biggest way it diverges is that a trolley is moving under its own “natural” momentum. In reality, it’s as though some Nazis are pulling the trolley along the track to the 5 people.

[-] SnerkRabbledauber@lemmy.today 31 points 3 weeks ago

If that third track were an option the trolley problem would never have existed. If there really is a third track in the real-life situation, then the trolley problem is not a good analogy of that problem.

Sadly, in this election there is no third track and we are forced into choosing the lesser of two evils.

If you want a third track, push for ranked choice voting!

[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 points 3 weeks ago

the joke is that you are actively removing yourself from the situation by making a decision to do nothing. In essence, that track has no trolley on it, and no people on it, meaning nobody dies.... As long as you don't look over your shoulder.

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[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemm.ee 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The tracks to the correct path can be built by passing state level electoral reform.

Abolishing the First Past the Post electoral system would allow voters to support third-party candidates without fearing they'll spoil the election. This reform would invigorate competition in elections, leading to better-quality candidates for all voters. Moreover, it's likely to boost voter turnout and civic engagement.

At the state level, electoral reform is feasible; Alaska and Maine have already enacted such changes, demonstrating its viability.

Despite this, some Republicans are staunchly defending First Past the Post voting, as seen in Florida's recent ban on Ranked Choice voting. Fortunately, there are numerous of other alternatives available, ensuring that electoral reform can still progress despite such obstacles.

So, why do some blue states want to continueusing FPTP voting? Why continue using a voting system favored by Republicans? In states controlled by Democrats, there's no Republican opposition hindering electoral reform efforts.

It's apparent that Democrats acknowledge the flaws of FPTP voting, evident in discussions on social media where many Democrats caution against voting third party. It's perplexing to recognize these flaws yet fail to take action to address them. Merely lecturing on the shortcomings of FPTP voting without pursuing solutions is insufficient.

Here are some videos on the topic if you’d like to know more:

First Past The Post voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

Other electoral systems to choose from:

Alternative vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y3jE3B8HsE

Ranked Choice voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z2fRPRkWvY

Range Voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3GFG0sXIig

Single Transferable Vote

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI

STAR voting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-mOeUXAkV0

Mixed Member Proportional representation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU

[-] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 17 points 3 weeks ago

So, why do some blue states want to continueusing FPTP voting? Why continue using a voting system favored by Republicans? In states controlled by Democrats, there's no Republican opposition hindering electoral reform efforts.

FPTP favors whichever party is currently in power in a two party system. Solid blue states don't want to switch because it makes their hold on power less secure. Same reason as Republicans in red states.

[-] MindTraveller@lemmy.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago

You're factually correct, and I support your long term goal, but it's not something we can achieve by November.

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[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 24 points 3 weeks ago
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[-] darth_tiktaalik@lemmy.ml 22 points 3 weeks ago

I'm assuming the third track being entirely disconnected and therefore not a real option is intentional.

Either way, accurate

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[-] BadlyTimedLuck@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

Guys, I don't know what's going on in the world and their wars. I just want a president who isn't abhorently evil. Do we have to revolutionize to find that 3rd option orrr?

[-] GoodEye8@lemm.ee 22 points 3 weeks ago

Do we have to revolutionize to find that 3rd option

Pretty much. It's against the interest of both parties to have more options because both are near-guaranteed to lose power if there were more options.

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[-] KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 3 weeks ago

this one is actually really funny, i like this one.

Good shit.

[-] go_go_gadget@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago

I appreciate OPs honesty that Palestinians are dead either way.

[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 15 points 3 weeks ago

Less palestinians will die under Biden. People who says "how could it be any worse?" have a severe lack of imagination and/or historical knowledge.

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[-] specters@lemmy.ml 16 points 3 weeks ago

stop the trolley, dumb fucks 😂

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