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Marijuana is its own special category, but club drugs (which for some reason include date rape drugs), inhalants and steroids are all in a "miscellaneous" category together?

Also, note all the ridiculous drug propaganda lies.

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[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 127 points 7 months ago

The people who blabber incessantly about weed being a gateway drug are the exact REASON that I agree with them, but we VERY much disagree on the specifics.

Think of it this way:

Every adult in your life has told you that weed is JUST AS BAD as heroin and cocain and meth. You hear it repeated ad nauseum, ESPECIALLY if you were in DARE.

Now one day someone you have known for a long time offers you some because "it's not that bad, trust me you'll be fine" and they go ahead and take a puff or twelve. Turns out it's not that bad. They were fine after some initial uncoordinated attempts at doing something.

So if weed is this interesting, maybe heroin isn't that bad either?

Yeah turns out heroin IS that bad, and lumping it in with weed is like tossing the kindergarten bully into a maxsec prison.

So yeah, it's only a "gAtEwAy dRuG" because you fucks lied for decades and made false equivalence of things and taught kids they can't trust you.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 49 points 7 months ago
[-] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Arguably one of the worst drugs to be taking. Death is slow and agonizingly painful. The addiction is deep seeded. The high is very minor, like you see me going out on heroin you know I've experienced things your greatest orgasm could never compare too. Smoking, I got to like, stand outside for 5 mins at a time.

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[-] tourist@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

While drunk, I got insane cravings for cocaine and nicotine

While high, I get insane cravings for pizza and Tame Impala

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[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 72 points 7 months ago

Weed is a gateway drug to the fridge.

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[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 69 points 7 months ago

What specifically stands out to you as a ridiculous bit of probaganda?

It's certainly not the most accurate or clinical, and some of the categories are a bit "eh", but nothing popped out to me that I would describe so strongly.

If nothing else, it's a lot more objective and grounded in reality than what they gave me in that dumb dare program. Might be why my reaction is just "close enough".

[-] LodeMike@lemmy.today 32 points 7 months ago

Marijuana being a gateway drug.

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago

Also being the most abused drug. I'd say that would be caffeine. There are more people who take caffeine daily than cannabis. But this seems to be about "bad" drugs, not "good" drugs.

[-] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 10 points 7 months ago

I'd give it to alcohol, not caffeine personally. I wouldn't say most people "abuse" caffeine, they just drink it.
Abuse to me implies having a negative impact, and I can think of more people who have been negatively impacted by weed than by caffeine, but way more from alcohol than either, and with a significantly more negative impact.

I know people who smoke too much and it's definitely made them stagnate in life and gain a lot of weight.
I know people who drink way too much caffeine and get insomnia, leading to a cycle of discomfort and heartburn from all the coffee.
I know people who drank too much alcohol and died, or developed terrible health complications.

Most people are totally fine with all of them, but alcohol is easily the worst and most common.

[-] warlaan@lemm.ee 13 points 7 months ago

It doesn't say that I'm the text. It literally says that it is CALLED a gateway drug because of what SOME people do.

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[-] Freestylesno@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. It's close enough for the target audience. Doesn't go the any extreme.

[-] undercrust@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The information in the hallucinogenic section about acid flashbacks is incorrect. This was a false rumour spread in the 70s to demonize the political opponents of Nixon.

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[-] ashok36@lemmy.world 62 points 7 months ago

Marijuana is not a gateway drug.

Having to deal with a drug dealer that wants to also sell you actually addictive drugs is the gateway.

Legalize pot, sell it at the grocery store, and you will watch the number of addicts in general fall precipitously. I guarantee it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 46 points 7 months ago

Weird how cigarettes and alcohol are not 'gateway drugs.'

[-] Carighan@lemmy.world 20 points 7 months ago

That's because from a health perspective, alcohol in particular is an "end state drug". It's what you die with. It ruins you. Not as fast as heroine, but just as thoroughly.

[-] Red_October@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

So if I just occasionally have a beer with dinner does that mean I could also enjoy a bit of light recreational heroine for dessert?

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[-] IzzyScissor@lemmy.world 14 points 7 months ago

Don't forget shampoo!

My D.A.R.E. officer made sure we all knew that shampoo is a drug because it's a chemical compound that physically affects our bodies. I definitely had fewer issues with drugs after learning that I was already a 'drug user'.

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[-] funkyfarmington@lemmy.world 18 points 7 months ago

The "gateway drug" thing was a lie in 1985 and its a lie now.

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[-] vala@lemmy.world 44 points 7 months ago

The fact that LSD and shrooms are in the same category as PCP.

[-] can@sh.itjust.works 11 points 7 months ago

I've always seen it classed as a more of a dissociative. If it were actually in the same class as shrooms and LSD then I'd have tried it by now.

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[-] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 33 points 7 months ago

I have never in my life heard anyone actually call weed "dope."

"Dope" is heroin, and its derivatives and relations.

[-] pixelmeow@lemmy.world 24 points 7 months ago

I heard it called that back around 1985.

[-] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 15 points 7 months ago

As in; when this was written...

[-] bitchkat@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

I do all the time and my son makes fun of me for it. That's how we rolled in the late 70's/early 80's

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 11 points 7 months ago

Old crew checking in. I still call it dope, and get side eyed for it.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

Yep that certainly is exactly the bullshit I was taught in the Midwest.

I wish schools were able to use the categories of “do your research” “probably a bad idea” and “definitely a bad idea”. There are drugs kids need to be warned about and by being honest about marijuana and lsd you build credibility when you tell them to never try opiates and that poppers may not ruin your life, but like there’s never a situation where they’re a good idea.

We also need to be honest about how we got into our opioid epidemic and how most heroin addicts got hooked after getting prescribed.

Kids are stupid but they aren’t stupid how us adults think they are. When we lie to them they remember to discount everything we say, even to not smoke cigarettes.

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[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 31 points 7 months ago

I get the sense that the author hasn't tried many or any of these substances and is trotting out the standard line. I didn't see alcohol, cigarettes and Oxycontin mentioned.

If we're going to have an adult conversation about addictive substances we should first talk about sugar and junk food. We should also discuss the dangers of a sedentary lifestyle, lack of healthcare and community, ignorance of mental health, motor vehicles, pollution, the criminal justice system, Judeo-Christian culture and being a person of colour. Those will form the major risk factors for human health.

[-] Neon@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

we should first talk about sugar and junk food

Absolutely not. Cigarettes are way way way more dangerous than sugar and junk-food

[-] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 10 points 7 months ago

I mean yes but at least in the US the latter two are overwhelmingly more common.

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[-] Shanedino@lemmy.world 26 points 7 months ago

Where is the alcohol section that causes probably the most deaths per year?

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[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago

GHB and rufies are used recreationally, not just for date rape.

The purpose of drug education programs in schools is to scare kids, not to genuinely educate kids so they can make informed decisions in their own lives. They also can't cover everything because the education system is fucked and drugs would require a semester to teach to an appropriate degree and serve harm reduction. They also need to not tell kids enough because it could backfire and make drugs seem interesting to try. Try making DMT not sound awesome.

[-] LanternEverywhere@kbin.social 19 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The whole topic of drugs could easily be covered in 30 minutes. The only thing people under 18 need to know is this:

  1. There are a large variety of different recreational drugs, each of which make you feel a different way, and which come with their own set of different risks and benefits

  2. At some point when you're older it may be reasonable for you to try some particular drugs, but there are some drugs which are never safe for anyone at any age

  3. No drugs are safe for you to do yet. Your brain is still in a developing phase, and drugs that might be safe for you to do later will be very harmful to you at this age. Even though taking a drug might make you feel good in the very short term moment, it very likely could make your growing brain become depressed as soon as you come down from the drug, and this can become intense sadness that you feel for the rest of your life.

So for now just know that drugs is a complex topic that you can learn more about later when you're older, but for now the details don't matter because all drugs will be harmful to you right now while your brain is still growing

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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 22 points 7 months ago

The fact it still teaches the "gateway drug" shit tells me it's outdated as hell.

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[-] BrikoX@lemmy.zip 22 points 7 months ago

Your child is lucky to have you as a parent.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 21 points 7 months ago

I'm glad I can be around to tell her what is and is not bullshit or propaganda. Even when it's about alcohol and cigarettes. They don't even discuss medication options for alcohol and nicotine addictions despite those being real options that work well for some people.

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 18 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

And they're making a fucking mess of the pharmacological and social definitions of "drug". It's the propaganda version of that "ackshyually tomato is a fruit, not a vegetable" brain-rotting idiocy.

Depressant, stimulant, those refer to the pharmacological activity; it'll include even things not socially considered as drugs, such as caffeine (stimulant) and alcohol (depressant). In this sense marijuana is not its own class, it's THC is a depressant.

That "club drugs" category is a fucking mess in both definitions. Ketamine is an anaesthetic, thus likely a depressant; ecstasy is mostly a stimulant with weak hallucinogen properties, pharmacologically they're nothing alike. And socially they're closer to caffeine (as things that you ingest willingly) than to date rape drugs (things that people give you against your consent).

And even the division in social drugs depends on usage. Marijuana for example can be used for clinical or recreative reasons; abuse is of course bad, but frankly I wouldn't be surprised if most marijuana smokers had better lungs than I do (I don't smoke weed but I smoke tobacco - nicotine is a ~~depressant~~ stimulant BTW). Same deal with the date rape drugs, alcohol could be used as one.

Aaaaah, sorry for the rant. What I want to convey is that yeah, I get why this infuriates you. It infuriated me too.

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[-] Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 15 points 7 months ago

The “gateway” drug thing was taught to me through DARE in the 90s. But has been confirmed propoganda for decades. Calling Cannabis (marijuana is not the proper name) a “gateway” drug is like saying water or air are “gateway” drugs. Sure, a crack head has probably smoked weed, but that isn’t what got them into crack.

I would guess that these materials are, either, very old or they categorize cannabis differently because it is so common. It doesn’t help that it is illegal in half the country and legal in the other half. So any state with cannabis not, at least, decriminalized will still have the talking points for the 1930s.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago

Thankfully, she knows from her father, who uses cannabis medicinally, that it is not a "gateway drug." Especially since the pain I am using it to treat now was one which a doctor originally tried and failed to treat by throwing multiple opioids at it and I'm not doing fentanyl today despite that. Two days of withdrawal was a bitch though.

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[-] MrTolkinghoen@lemmy.zip 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

They put pcp alongside shrooms and LSD. That's insane.

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[-] FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 13 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

brb, going to the club with my friends so we can do steroids, hopefully I can find some psychotic marijuanas too

[-] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

Do they go on to mention any negative effects?

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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 11 points 7 months ago

I remember my old boss asking me what the effects of cannabis were. I was like "which cannabis? Indica, sativa, high CBD, high thc, etc" Cannabis is like wine, but different strains have different effects. There are stains that I use at night that leave me happy and couch bound, and there are strains I use on a weekend morning that make me clean my entire house

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[-] Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 9 points 7 months ago

At least it's broadly kind of informative in description of some of the categories before the 'continued' section. That may seem a low bar but I guess efforts to educate on this topic have set such a drastically low bar in decades past that it's encouraging to see it lifted slightly off the floor. The categorisation scheme takes a bit of a nosedive when they get to marijuana which for some reason has its own category, also for all the drugs and categories they describe they make the mistake of failing to describe the effects that make people want to use the drugs in the first place. I can see why they might be hesitant to do that, you don't want to actively encourage people to use the drugs, but I remember when getting similar lessons on the topic thinking that it was an obvious omission because it's hardly like people took the drugs, repeatedly, because of how much they enjoyed the "impairment" especially as I has my own first hand experience running directly counter to it. The failure to address the positive sensations taking such drugs produces that have caused people throughout all of human history to seek drugs out, damages the credibility of the information since it clearly sought to discourage at the cost of objectivity.

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