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an actual ad for joining the navy.

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[-] cerement@slrpnk.net 51 points 6 months ago
[-] drolex@sopuli.xyz 23 points 6 months ago

You know, I'm something of a pope myself

[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Excuse me. I’m an antipope if anything. I say we bring back the warring popes period

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago
[-] paddirn@lemmy.world 38 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Can you be a non-religious chaplain? That feels like discrimination if there’s a religious requirement.

Edit: As of 2018 at least, nope.

[-] kittyjynx@lemmy.world 55 points 6 months ago

I saw a Navy chaplain when I was going through some tough times in the Marines. I told him right off the bat that I was an atheist and he didn't push any religious shit on me. He just talked to me and worked with my command to get me seen by a trained therapist. Other Marines I knew had similar experiences. Chaplains are officers outside the normal command structure and are trained to provide services to everyone regardless of their faith or lack there of. Also a lot of military members are at least nominally religious so it makes sense to have someone to coordinate religious activity, especially overseas where there aren't local religious institutions.

[-] teft@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

And every chaplain i met in the army was a jackass trying to recruit for their religion.

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[-] ZapBeebz_@lemmy.world 25 points 6 months ago

I think there's a requirement to render counseling services to all denominations, including atheists/agnostics, because the chaplain corps is pretty much the closest the Navy gets to mental health care while deployed. Not the greatest system, in all honesty.

[-] yeather@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Part of the roles of a Navy Chaplain are to provide religious services. This is inherently a religious role, it should not be expected that an atheist or “non-theist” will perform these roles correctly.

[-] Maeve@kbin.social 4 points 6 months ago

So what exactly do you think UU Ministers and ToS clergy do?

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[-] Lemming6969@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Oh look a religious test for a government position... What the fuck.

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[-] KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 29 points 6 months ago

Nevermind that this role is basically a deployable mental health professional and the only MHP that many of these unfortunate souls have access to.

I swear, this all or nothingness is just rotting to see. Maybe we do need to nuke ourselves.

[-] radicalautonomy@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I'm autistic. One commonality among many autists is aggravation at witnessing unfairness. Furthermore, I can't stand it when things don't finalize (e.g. a puzzle with no discernable solution or a film with an unresolved plot line in a TV series.)

Having to bear witness to this darkest of timelines and being forced to endlessly await its culminating event, the downfall of capitalism and Western civilization (which is absolutely what deserves to happen), is driving me up the fucking wall.

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[-] Bennettiquette@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

i mean, i see nothing wrong with the “non-denominational chaplain” position itself or targeted recruitment advertising for it, aside from the underlying implication that access to mental health services for members of the armed forces is essential an afterthought.

but all that is a completely different situation than using a baptismal portrait as recruitment creative. how is that “all or nothing”?

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 6 months ago

Why doesn't the US Navy just deploy mental health professionals?

Religious doctrine is a shitty substitute for actual assessment.

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[-] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

You aren’t wrong but that is sad.

Also this is leaving me curious of us weird religions could be chaplains. Like, could we wind up with a unit of marines bitching that their chaplain is a neodruid?

[-] KillingAndKindess@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 months ago

A chaplain position has no religious requirement, and every chaplain must be accepting and work with every religion without discrimination.

Now, obviously not every person will view them as a viable spiritual leader for their specific faith, but there is only so much that is possible.

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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago

There's a joke in there somewhere about a priest and a boat full of sailors

[-] NeptuneOrbit@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

It's pronounced seamen

[-] dogsnest@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

I'm sure the Chaplain and the Rear Admiral engage well.

[-] sirico@feddit.uk 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Repent, cleanse your soul

[-] ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 21 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

"God wants you to kill for your country" - Navy Chaplain, presumably

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[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 18 points 6 months ago

Huh. I really feel like wearing red all of a sudden

[-] ME5SENGER_24@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

Something, something, separation of church and state

No government money should be spent on religion. If you as a private citizen decide to donate your money towards theology enjoy — in fact, I’ll provide an account number that you can throw it into, but keep the theology out of things that I already detest my tax dollars funding.

I don’t want the war machine. I don’t want its BS themes!!

[-] HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago

Chaplains aren't really religious - yes they have that association but aren't "preachy" if that makes sense. They are there to guide and support.

To be honest actual Chaplains (and christians) could take a lesson from armed forces Chaplains.

[-] troglodytis@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago

No Oxford comma? I'm out

[-] WhatIsThePointAnyway@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Hard to get soldiers to die for the interests of the rich and powerful that the soldiers don’t benefit from without a magical afterlife. Tale as old as humanity.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 6 months ago

Religion and armed forces: two of the worst professions. I know – we'll combine 'em!

[-] DessertStorms@kbin.social 9 points 6 months ago

The crusades never actually ended..

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 8 points 6 months ago

....Souls are real enough for the military to be concerned with them?

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

People have been dying for religion since recorded history. You think the military wouldn't exploit that?

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago
[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

Only American souls are real.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Get some sailor ass too ;)

[-] No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago

Ad victoriam, Brother.

[-] AquaTofana@lemmy.world 7 points 6 months ago

Meh, this isn't really dystopian imo, they provide a really good service. They will provide limited mental health/crisis counseling to you (regardless of faith/lack therof), with no written documentation. Unless you're telling them you plan to actively hurt yourself or someone else, then they're 100% confidential.

The military has gotten better in recent years about this, but when I was a young Airman 15 years ago, it was drilled into our heads that you DO NOT go to Mental Health for ANY reason if you wanted to stay in and keep your career. It was viewed as an instant career killer if you went back then.So Chaplains became the "go between" in a lot of instances. Because there was no record.

I used them 3 or 4 times before I finally bit the bullet and went to Mental Health back in December. 3 of the 4 Chaplains I saw were awesome and just listened to my anxieties and then talked me down as to how unlikely they were to pass. The fourth did ask me if he could pray for me at the end, and I'm sure I could have said no, but I was more like "Sure, I guess." So he said some kind of generic prayer, handed me a pocket bible and sent me on my way. He wasn't bad, still listened to my issue, but I could see someone who is very uncomfortable with prayer being too nervous/anxious to say "no" if they didn't really want it.

[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago

That fucker looks like a flesh puppet.

[-] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 3 points 6 months ago

What's dystopian about having chaplains in militaries? Because how dare someone assist someone else in their faith which involves worshipping someone other than our lord and saviour Darwin and Pope Dawkins?

[-] Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 months ago

Growing up with the GOAT exam, I was always designated the Vault Chaplain. I took the GOAT the other day and got Shift Supervisor. I'm a little relieved.

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