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[-] Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 140 points 2 months ago

Donald Trump did this.

Because he’s a sucker and has an orbit of selfish traitors.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 6 points 2 months ago

For those not in the know: Donald Trump did this by trying to extort Ukraine to "find shit on Biden" in exchange for weapons, which is why he was impeached the first time.

He also just general signaled to Putin he really doesn't care about honoring US alliances with his demands and general disregard for the importance of NATO.

[-] pyrate37@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Would not be surprised if a Ukrainian refugee takes a shot at him.

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 126 points 2 months ago

Almost like the west isnt funding them the way they are supposed to. To anyone in the US, this is why you need a democratic majority in the house. Russia has already called Ukraine a stepping stone multiple times, but US news is a awash with nothing but news on Gaza and israel despite the US policy on israel being unfortunately decided for 70 years now. So instead of pressuring our govt to act on Ukraine, we have protestors wasting their effort on the wrong genocide, one which the US was never going to stop, and is much smaller in scale. Its a dismal way of looking at things, but it is not incorrect.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

Protesting against genocide is never a waste of effort. Following your logic, Ukraine is a lost cause because Russia is determined to invade it and US congress is too divided to stop it anyway, so no one should care.

[-] Eximius@lemmy.world 11 points 2 months ago

You're not following his logic. He puts priority on the bigger genocide. And posits that there are too many Zionists in USA, so it's much more hopeless to stop Israel support fast, might as well continue with the big fish.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

The situation in Palestine is a one-sided slaughter, with a million Palestinians on the verge of starvation. There is no stopping Russia quickly either, unless maybe if you propose direct US military participation, and even then that may not put a swift end to things.

[-] Eximius@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Stopping Russia is about just sending ammunition and supplies to Ukraine, they will fight for themselves, but they might run out of bullets at this rate (literally the current state of affairs).

USA openly and cozily supports Israel with deep rooted Zionism, you cant change this quick it would appear, and is what my two comments and the other guy is saying.

Gaza strip is 0.5mil, Ukraine is 38mil. Russia doing another Holodomor is entirely real and possible.

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 13 points 2 months ago

But haven't you heard? The US has already committed LITERAL BILLIONS to Ukraine, and what did it get us? Nothing! Just imagine if that money would've been spent here! ~~We could have spent it on schools~~ Some poor CEO could've had fat bonuses! ~~Maybe we could've cancelled the medical debt of 100 people~~ We could've spent more on covering up environmental damage without doing anything against the companies that caused that damage.

I tell you, if we wouldn't have spent that money on Ukraine, we could've medicare for all, student loan forgiveness, functioning infrastructure and a sane republican party. But because we spent those billions on Ukraine, sadly, we had to budget a little and got none of the above. If only we still had that money, all of our woes would be over!

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 50 points 2 months ago

sigh

We didnt spend billions on Ukraine. We donate old arms worth billions that were due to be phased out anyway to Ukraine. Crappy media reporting has really done on number on everyone who believes otherwise. And guess what? That weaponry was doing the trick. As predicted, giving Ukraine an absolute fuckload of our outdated shit is held russia back.

But sure. Lets let Poland, Finland, and Lithuania fall next -___-

[-] JowlesMcGee@kbin.social 35 points 2 months ago

They were being sarcastic, by the way.

[-] Atelopus-zeteki@kbin.run 18 points 2 months ago

But without the /s, who would ever know? /s

[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 15 points 2 months ago

I was sweating over here, not being able to come up with anything more in the realm of fiction than a sane republican party.

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 5 points 2 months ago

I kinda thought so at first, but rereading ur comment i figured id better reply since u can never be to sure. Sorry dude. I guess u make a convincing republican when u try :p

[-] Pan_Ziemniak@midwest.social 15 points 2 months ago

Oops! I am dumb, by the way.

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[-] Son_of_dad@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Well I mean most Westerners have moved on and forgotten about Ukraine. They have a short attention span now it's all Palestine and Ukraine can go fuck itself I guess

[-] capem@startrek.website 9 points 2 months ago

To be fair, Israel is killing way more civilians than Russia is.

The US is also backing Israel, which it is not doing for Russia.

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[-] natural_motions@lemmynsfw.com 89 points 2 months ago

There are attacks on info outlets as well, bots are mass reporting Ukranian youtube channels that have been reporting on the war, getting them perma banned despite Youtube basically acknowledging to the owners that it's bot spam.

If Ukraine lost it wouldn't just be a massive blow to Ukraine itself, it would severely undermine the credibility of NATO countries and western allies generally.

[-] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 35 points 2 months ago

The population of Ukraine is 38 million people. Putin would march every damn one of those Ukrainian civilians in as meat waves invading other countries and not care one damn.

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[-] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Also, just because Ukraine loses the traditional war, doesn't mean that the fighting will stop.
Also also, what greater threat to european peace and stability is there than a bunch of former allies, who are battle-hardened, traumatized, right next to EU borders and are feeling betrayed by their 'western partners'?
A russia-funded network of right-wing parties, aimed at breaking up the european union, recently invigorated by their success of stopping a unified response to russia's invasion.

[-] msage@programming.dev 7 points 2 months ago

Fuck, why did you have to write it down so eloquently? Hungary is lost, Slovakia is lost, who is going to be next? Can Poland hold them off?

[-] cybersandwich@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Any country not in NATO is at risk. Russia wouldn't invade a NATO country. They'd get shit stomped and honestly probably have to resort to a nuclear weapon.

I think the West would cut the head off the snake pretty quickly if Russia invaded a NATO country though.

[-] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I think the West would cut the head off the snake pretty quickly if Russia invaded a NATO country though.

Not if Trump wins.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 2 points 2 months ago

NATO isn't just the US, but it would be a significant blow to NATO's strength if the US military stood down.

[-] msage@programming.dev 2 points 2 months ago

Not at risk of being invaded directly, but their governments are run by pro-russia madmen who will do everything to stay in power.

[-] Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Also also, what greater threat to european peace and stability is there than a bunch of former allies, who are battle-hardened, traumatized, right next to EU borders and are feeling betrayed by their 'western partners'?

Assuming you're talking about the Ukrainian people in some kind of Guerilla warfare, I think they'd be more likely to focus their efforts on Russia (the ones that actually did the attacking, raping, and bombing) vs the west that just "didn't do enough"

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 months ago

See reporting from Ukraine for example

[-] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Credibility? I just would rather not have to fight a land war in Europe after letting Russia finish its genocide of Ukraine

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 15 points 2 months ago

It pisses me off to no end that war is seen as a fucking "game." This isn't fucking Pokemon where you "win" and you keep my cards.

The fact that the entire world just accepts that when you "win" a war you keep the land you took is beyond insanity... The entire world should be united against anyone who does this. There needs to be a collective NO.

But C.R.E.A.M... so we can't.

[-] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 2 points 2 months ago

Well it eventually becomes difficult in the long term. I doubt the sanctions would be resolved any time soon but at a certain point unless your willing to go to war— which if we weren’t willing to supply probably won’t happen— you should eventually normalize relations once everyone who was involved in the war is dead.

[-] monk@lemmy.unboiled.info 1 points 2 months ago

How about, you know, not letting it turn long-term?

[-] crimsonpoodle@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago

That would be infinitely preferable, hopefully the congressional aid package helps, and in the medium term the elections don’t fuck things up

[-] rayyy@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

You can't trust Business Insider.

[-] comador@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago
[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 32 points 2 months ago

Axel Springer bought it, which is basically the German equivalent of Rupert Murdoch.

[-] hark@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

Business Insider... left leaning? That's silly.

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[-] hddsx@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 months ago
[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 27 points 2 months ago
[-] Norgur@fedia.io 15 points 2 months ago

Yep. Do not trust a word that unethical shit house puts out. Be it Bild, Welt, Business Insider, what have you. Once Axel Springer is involved, expect lots and lots of lies, "not quite but almost" lies and lies out of spite or self interest."

[-] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 8 points 2 months ago

Politico too.

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago
[-] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

That only confirmed that it's fine to read. It doesn't overtly move the Overton window.

[-] doublejay1999@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Nothing to do with bias. It’s a shitrag outlet. Most of their articles are stolen, or they just report on what other outlets are reporting - there’s hardly any original work and the clickbait is cheap shit .

[-] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 4 points 2 months ago

Mostly factual, center left. Which part is the reason why we shouldn't be reading their news?

[-] PunnyName@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Guessing the people who don't like it are those who don't like the left or facts.

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[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Who bias fact checks the bias fact checker?

[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Because he said so. /s

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