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[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 79 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

Instead, Musk is allegedly “all in on robotaxi,”

So instead of trying to compete with BYD, they are leaving that space open for Chinese domination, and instead they are trying to catch up to the Waymo-Uber-Lyft race where Tesla has not even tried to compete yet.

To me, it just seems that Musk just doesn't believe in market capitalism and competition. Or that he's exceptionally terrible at it.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 33 points 2 years ago

They'll scream and cry for protectionist policy once they lose the lower end of the market. Musk has one superpower and it's looting the public for his own benefit.

[–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 28 points 2 years ago (10 children)

I believe a huge chunk of Tesla's valuation is based on their automation tech, despite having very little real success towards full automation. So they have to focus on that and try to prove they can deliver.

But I'm guessing they won't succeed, as there are fundamental flaws with the technology itself, that can't be solved by throwing more sensors at the problem.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It seems their stock valuation rests on an assumption that their self-driving tech is unique, useful and best-of-class. I don't see how they can benefit putting these claims to the test by trying to compete in the robotaxi market.

[–] Ragnarok314159@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Their stock valuation rests entirely on large entities shorting the stock, and other large entities saying “I will take that bet!”. That’s pretty much it.

[–] maynarkh@feddit.nl 4 points 2 years ago

All stock valuation rests on like three entities making numbers up, that's not the thing. The question is how long will Wall Street keep Musky boy on the nice list if he is becoming more and more visibly incompetent.

[–] Claidheamh@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 years ago (4 children)

But can it be solved by throwing less sensors at the problem? Cause that's what he's been doing. Removing sensors from the newer versions that were in the older ones.

[–] PlutoniumAcid@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Drop the cameras, add lidar instead. That's true 3d vision, which no amount of cameras can replace.

[–] TrainsAreCool@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

Someone told them the problem was just "too many variables", so they figured by taking away sensors, there are fewer variables. Therefore, better self-driving.

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[–] DingoBilly@lemmy.world 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

So Tesla's entire strategy Elon was working was just abandoned.

Continues down the pathway that Tesla is just going to fade to irrelevance.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago

Already has.

[–] Thorny_Insight@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Judging by the amount of their vehicles I'm seeing on the roads I'm suspecting they're going to fade into irrelevance like iPhones have.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago

Its not a like for like comparison. People change car brands all the time, there is very little environment or peripherals to be tied to.

[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

Probably couldn't figure out a way to make the '2' serve as a 'Z' in a 1337, sophomoric sex pun, so... that's the end of that project.

[–] jsh@sh.itjust.works 20 points 2 years ago

The Tesla Model 2 S3XY Soon to be followed by the Model 4 and Model U.

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] wjrii@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

This only serves to make me think you're smarter than Elon Musk.

[–] TheDude@kbin.social 31 points 2 years ago

They probably aren't stopping planning a model 2, it just ain't gonna cost $25k.

[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 29 points 2 years ago

Musk is a moron and I hope he keeps getting exposed

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 25 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Musky can’t make a car that cheap. That’s why.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 24 points 2 years ago (3 children)

When you get in one this is the price you feel like it should cost though

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I feel that way in all his cars.

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[–] BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 21 points 2 years ago (1 children)

All their cars are 25000 dollar evs. They just sell them for 4 times that amount.

[–] Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (1 children)

China gonna dominate that price bracket and lower no need to enter a market you cant compete in

[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Tesla makes cars in China too.

[–] Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

hell I'm pretty sure its impossible to make these cars without some amount of electronics fabricated in china

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Loads of companies do, doesnt mean they can compete at that price point.

[–] lipilee@feddit.nl 9 points 2 years ago

that's fine, they have the perfect alternative, the cybertruck. /s

[–] ctkatz@lemmy.ml 8 points 2 years ago

I wouldn't buy one. good job. elon destroying your brand name.

[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 8 points 2 years ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Tesla has abandoned plans to develop an affordable electric Model 2, according to a report in Reuters.

The news organization says it has reviewed company messages that say the affordable Model Y, which Tesla CEO Elon Musk claimed would sell for $25,000 or less, has been axed.

Then, this March, Musk told Tesla workers that the Model 2 would go into production at the company's factory in Berlin.

In light of this news, that statement certainly raises eyebrows—Reuters reports that one of its three unnamed sources told it that the decision to scrap the Model 2 was made in late February.

Instead, Musk is allegedly "all in on robotaxi," Tesla's plan to create an autonomous driving system that could allow its cars to compete with Uber or Lyft without a driver in the equation.

Earlier this week, Tesla posted its worst delivery results since 2020, with an 8.5 percent drop in deliveries year over year and yet another quarter of overproduction that has left the electric carmaker with nearly 150,000 vehicles produced but unsold.


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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

All those that claim this market belongs to China, Tesla already has production in China, and can use all the same benefits Chinese companies can. Including government subsidies.

[–] Benaaasaaas@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

Outside companies almost never get the same benefits as local ones, that's true even outside of china. Another thing is that china has national interests in chinese carmakers.

[–] whereisk@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So long as they keep the Chinese government happy. That's a big lever China has on Musk.

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[–] Num10ck@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Tesla needs to make a certain substantial profit margin, same problem as Apple's car project. BYD will sell at a loss for years to monopolize like Amazon/Walmart etc.

[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Chinese companies aren't buying detestable social media platforms and speedrunning them into the ground.

[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago

No one's talking about that.

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[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Dammit, the idea of a Tesla Hatchback could have been good. But no, they had to make that cyberjoke first...

[–] Diplomjodler@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I guess he's finally lost it completely.

[–] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago

Gotta have it to lose it.

[–] istanbullu@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago

You can't beat China on price

[–] dog_@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
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