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As shitty as it is, this country 1. Isn't designed in such a way that would allow a third-party candidate a genuine chance of winning and 2. Has too many centrists that will vote for Biden regardless. Trump has repeatedly garnered heavy support in Republican polls, so they're pretty much almost all in on him. Splitting the blue vote between Biden and whoever else will only lead to a Trump victory after which we might not even be ABLE to vote in 2028.

I'm legitimately having a panic attack. These airheaded anarcho-kiddies are genuinely going to land us all in camps.

biden's doing literally nothing to stop states from criminalizing lgbt people's existence emilie-pain

their fears about a trump presidency are valid but i wish these libs would stop putting their hopes in the DNC when its clear they have zero interest in running a candidate that isn't complete dogshit

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[-] EmmaGoldman@hexbear.net 118 points 7 months ago

So what you're telling me is that the only way to prevent trans genocide is for Democrats to win every election for every seat, forever? And then you just hope they don't decide to compromise across the aisle out of fairness like they do constantly when in power or form a Democratic Anti-Trans caucus that pushes for it just like DFLA has done with abortion?

Yeah, that all seems like a feasible and robust strategy with long-term stability.

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 85 points 7 months ago

This precise argument is what broke me forever from national level politics ie "voting the lesser evil" for president stuff. Matt Christman made this argument years ago on Chapo (I'm not saying he did it first but his way of explaining really stuck in my brain). Basically as you said something like "if the Trump and the Republicans are the fascists, and the only way to beat them is to vote for the Democrats every 2-4 years, and if we ever lose an election then it's over, then we've already lost!" Something to that effect. Which obviously he's 100% correct about.

The other thing that convinced me, and it may have been Matt or the other boys, unsure, was the observation that if the democrats truly truly believe that Republicans are an existential threat to the Democratic Party, the country and the world they sure don't act like it. Meaning that when they have power they never do actions necessary to reverse the harm of Republicans. So in that scenario, how is voting for the "lesser evil" who either is lying about their belief about Republicans or is too cowardly to act or doesn't want to act, etc. actually any different, besides the timescale of [bad thing]? And the obvious conclusion is... if the Democrats are serious, if you believe their claims, yet they do not act when given full power, then it doesn't actually matter which one is in power. The genocide that Biden decided to fully back has really driven a nail in the coffin of any semblance of "lesser evil"-ism.

[-] JohnBrownNote@hexbear.net 59 points 7 months ago

we need a strong republican party

-biden, pelosi, several others

you can't fucking use "they're fascists" rhetoric and then valorize reaching across the aisle. who the fuck are you reaching towards Neville?

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[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 102 points 7 months ago

"Ash why is hexbear the only trans space you visit?" shrug-outta-hecks

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[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 99 points 7 months ago

I think the one thing I knew about Harris before the 2020 primaries was that she was particularly cruel to transwomen in her jails. Like she made a point to be, so much that it was a scandal in a country this transphobic.

[-] citrussy_capybara@hexbear.net 69 points 7 months ago

The courts ordered her to provide trans health care, said it was 'cruel and unusual punishment under the 8th amendment' to deny services. She fought with every tool available, delaying and appealing to a higher court when told no. Using TERF language that trans healthcare causes irreversible damage and that inmates can wait until after they are no longer her problem. [2015]

"There is no evidence that irreversible treatment is immediately necessary"
"the record demonstrates that the Defendants will be irreparably injured if the district court’s order stands and surgery goes forward"

Her explanations changed over time. From 'no comment', to 'the law is forcing me to do this', then 'it is unfortunate my staff did all this, I was actually fighting this injustice and despite being in charge was powerless to stop them'.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 61 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Wtf.... I'ven't heard of that before...

sadness-abysmal

[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 66 points 7 months ago

https://theappeal.org/incarcerated-transgender-womens-lives-must-matter/

(CW: transphobia)

spoilerWhen Kamala Harris announced her run for president on Jan. 21, a reporter asked her about the 2015 case of Michelle-Lael Norsworthy, a trans woman incarcerated in California’s prison system who petitioned prison officials to grant her request for gender affirming surgery. In 2015, Harris was California’s attorney general and her office filed a request in federal court to halt a court ruling that ordered Norsworthy’s surgery, arguing that “there is no evidence that irreversible treatment is immediately necessary before this appeal can be heard.” Nearly four years later, Harris didn’t answer the question about Norsworthy. In response to the reporter, Harris replied “it was an office with a lot of people … and do I wish that sometimes they would have personally consulted me before they wrote the things that they wrote? Yes, I do.” Harris then added that she “worked behind the scenes to ensure that the Department of Corrections would allow transitioning inmates to receive the medical attention that they required, they needed and deserved.”

[-] GenderIsOpSec@hexbear.net 51 points 7 months ago

pretty standard cop material top-cop

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 47 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/j7lo2d/collage_created_with_the_photos_of_black_males/

CW: reddit link

Collage made out of black men Kamala Harris kept in prison past legally necessary for free prison labor. I remember seeing this one float around lefty reddit before the 2020 elections

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[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 96 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Just spent 15 mins making 15 comments, a new record, what's your excuse for not brigading? im-doing-my-part im-doing-my-part im-doing-my-part

Edit: I got the thread locked, how you like them fuckin apples che-smile

[-] TeddyKila@hexbear.net 64 points 7 months ago

I felt a wave of intense anger bubble up and decided to get a sandwich instead

[-] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 67 points 7 months ago

Don't bother getting mad, judging by the responses I'm getting these people are political toddlers

unfortunately you have to vote for him if you prefer to keep personal liberties we enjoy.

I mean look at this goofy shit

[-] Justice@lemmygrad.ml 63 points 7 months ago

Just off the top of my head, while Biden was in office we've seen porn essentially banned in some states, various types of vaping, consideration of a menthol cigarette ban, the House passed a TikTok ban and Biden has encouraged the senate to pass it so he can sign it, and we've seen 'free speech' completely eroded to whatever degree it existed with a clown show in congress of Nazis grilling libs over pro-Palestine protesters whom they both agree are "antisemitic."

Biden sure does love personal freedoms

[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 53 points 7 months ago

Don't forget a big one. He literally did nothing when abortion got banned.

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[-] Owl@hexbear.net 88 points 7 months ago

I hope "anarkiddy" becomes the new "tankie" and all the MLs in the audience have to put up with being called it. It's only fair that we swap once in a while.

[-] queermunist@lemmy.ml 54 points 7 months ago

ngl I'll actually probably get mad the first few times that happens lol

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[-] Seryph@lemmygrad.ml 46 points 7 months ago

Wouldn't be the first time an ML would be called an anarchist considering State and Revolution was derided as too anarchist by other bolsheviks when it was made

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[-] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 84 points 7 months ago

I'm legitimately having a panic attack. These airheaded anarcho-kiddies are genuinely going to land us all in camps.

Meanwhile the guy you support is literally putting people in the largest concentration camp in the world. How fucking selfish can you be. Oh no don't put me in a camp, I'm fine with you putting all those people in a camp but not meeeee!

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 56 points 7 months ago

Liberals’ problem with the Nazis is that they targeted the wrong people

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[-] robinn_IV@hexbear.net 78 points 7 months ago

This is a real comment:

Shouldn't these numbers be seen as a major victory, especially with Biden being blamed by pro-Russian and Chinese bots on social media and by billionaire-owned news agencies for things outside of his control? - As for Palestine, he's been pushing for a ceasefire for a long time now, he's been admonishing Israel, and he's been dropping aid to Gaza. The countries that have stonewalled the ceasefire are the same ones that have smeared him on social media - Russia and China. - In terms of his successes/effectiveness, what are your thoughts on… his masterful handling of the Ukraine war

I feel like I’m losing my mind. I can’t do this any more. These people live in a fucking fantasy world.

[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 67 points 7 months ago

Bidens "ceasefire" was literally telling Palestinians to stop fighting so that Israel can come in and Massacare them. Props to Russia and China for vetoing this shit.

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[-] frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml 77 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
  1. Isn’t designed in such a way that would allow a third-party candidate a genuine chance of winning

Then it can die.

  1. Has too many centrists that will vote for Biden regardless.

Then it (and all of the centrists still setting time tables on our liberation, while we're at it) can die too.

Death to anyone who votes for EITHER tribe of capital. Death to the Presidency. Death to the settler empire. Till all are fed and all have beds, my skin is Black, my star is Red.

First of all, Israel is only committing genocide in the same sense that we did immediately post 9/11.

Oooh, the self-snitching is peak today. I love watching people admit Amerika's just as genocidal as the monsters they've claimed to fight.

Again, in three years when Trump's god gestapo throw us all into camps because he decided being queer is against god's will, I hope you look fondly on this moralizing.

Someone tell these cancerous ladder-pullin crackers that skinfolk (or in this case, supposedly-ideological skinfolk, 'cause I don't believe these genocidaires bonafides) is most certainly not kinfolk; and that we have no interest in washing our hands in their trough of blood. I don't think they're internalizing it.

When I die, I'll be able to look the divine I worship in the eye and account for, stand on everything I've done and said like it's my business; and 'opposing the genocidal and monstrous' will be one of them. These crackers will not be able to say the same.

[-] ashinadash@hexbear.net 52 points 7 months ago

First of all, Israel is only committing genocide in the same sense that we did immediately post 9/11.

My fuckin eyes popped out of my head when I saw that. That's not a defense...

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[-] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 65 points 7 months ago

America is literally in the same state as late 1920s Germany except that there are no Communists fighting fascism. Democrats will keep bringing politics rightwards and eventually you'll have someone as bad as trump in power because Muh election of the Century will be fought between Mega Hitler and Omega Hitler and you'll have to choose which one is the lesser of two evils.

[-] Kestrel@hexbear.net 45 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I see waaaaay too many center left pieces that are like "Weimar Republic now??" that completely ignore the fact that there is no The Left in the U.S.A. much less any kind of real SPD equivalent.

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[-] roux@hexbear.net 64 points 7 months ago

Has Genocide Joe done anything in the last 3 years to even remotely suggest he cares about protecting the lives of trans people?

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[-] somename@hexbear.net 63 points 7 months ago

Smh at these tankies whining about minor issues like genocide. We gotta stop with these insane purity tests. They should focus on what really matters instead, passing that border bill and getting more machine gun turrets built.

[-] Swoosegoose@hexbear.net 51 points 7 months ago

Ahhh! It is literally an endorsement! Voting for Biden tells him and the Democrats that genocide is acceptable to their voter base. It doesn't matter what polls say if people vote for the Dems they will keep supporting genocide because that's what a vote is, it's an endorsement of that candidate and their policies.

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 62 points 7 months ago

TIL 80% of /r/ask_transgender live in Ohio, Michigan, and Georgia.

[-] WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 46 points 7 months ago

And assume everyone else does too. Just like lots of reddit constantly assume everyone there is American.

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[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 58 points 7 months ago

i don't see how these bozos imagine--after witnessing the biden administration enthusiastically sell out the muslim / arab sympathizing portion of the dem coalition to watch their families and friends be slaughtered by organized genocide--they can expect any protection from it going forward. that is the lesson here: if they can do it to any of us this easily and eagerly, they can and will do it to all of us as soon as some ghoulish and inhumane calculation of imperial preservation triggers it. unless, of course these specific bozos imagine themselves different / better / more worthy of protection than "those people". which is very possible.

us-foreign-policy

as someone here once quipped, "We gotta do genocide over there, so we don't have genocide over here!"

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[-] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 57 points 7 months ago

Funny cuz most of the anarchists on reddit-logo are the ones screaming at you to vote for Joe.

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[-] lapis@hexbear.net 56 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I'm seeing a lot of "we just have to do this for this election, guys! then we can vote against the genocidal democrat!" in there, and like... are people legitimately not aware that Trump will absolutely run in every presidential election until he's elected or dies?

they're literally holding the carrot of "Trump magically won't run after this election, guys!" in front of their own noses, and it's disgusting.

at least if Trump wins this election, and doesn't move insanely fast to dismantle constitutional government structure (which sure doesn't seem like a mere four-year task to me), he'll have hit his term limit and we won't have to worry about him anymore. I'm sure the republicans will run somebody equally evil after Trump hits his term limit, but like, come on, libs, use your fucking brains.

[-] Egon@hexbear.net 45 points 7 months ago

Yeah and before trump it was "binders full of women" Romney and before that it was "insane and old" McCain and before that it was Dubya and before... It's been "we just this one election" for some decades now

[-] BobDole@hexbear.net 48 points 7 months ago

How many more of these stinking, double-downer sideshows will we have to go through before we can get ourselves straight enough to put together some kind of national election that will give me and the at least 20 million people I tend to agree with a chance to vote FOR something, instead of always being faced with that old familiar choice between the lesser of two evils?

  • Hunter S. Thompson, Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72

Over fifty years

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[-] KoboldKomrade@hexbear.net 55 points 7 months ago

Ok at least the mod posted maybe the funniest comment they could (by accident).

[-] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 48 points 7 months ago

THAT IS LITERALLY EXACTLY OUR ONLY JOB OMFG LMAO

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[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 53 points 7 months ago

But have you considered the perspective that voting in literal fascists makes communism more possible somehow?

People are fed up with the endless support for genocide and war, with high interest rates, rent and inflation. Democrats being in power has done basically nothing to stop the right wing takeover in states .

I don't think I've ever run into someone with the position that voting one way or another is going to make communism happen faster though.

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 45 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

love how half the comments are like 'fuck biden' but have all been surreptitiously downvoted by the undoubtedly cis liberals that stalk every trans space online looking for the good ones™. also just in general i find a lot of trans spaces online (particularly on reddit) are overrun with liberal trans people that obviously dont show up to any community stuff IRL at all. if they did they might actually be radicalized

[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 45 points 7 months ago

Love how they think "yea the system sucks you just have to accept that" is a good argument.

Maybe fuck that system then. Maybe we should be talking about how tonchange the system that we all agree sucks instead of arguing over why people have to participate in a shitty system.

Apply this logic to literally anything else.

Yea it sucks a bunch of armed guards control that bridge and you have to either pay them or they kill you but the system just isn't set up to allow people to cross the bridge for free so you just have to pay the nicest armed robber or else the worst armed robber could get your money.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 48 points 7 months ago

People who say things like that don't truly think the system sucks. What they mean is they don't like to think about it. They can tolerate the system when it's invisible, but when they hear about stuff happening it makes them sad. But not enough to drive action, just enough to feel bad.

It should be obvious by now that trans legislation isn't coming through voting. No previous civil rights came through voting, so why would this be different? Liberals have no conception of how to exert pressure because they've never needed to nor do they truly care. I wish they'd be honest about how comfortable they are.

[-] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 45 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Reclaim the term 'anarcho-kiddies', y'all!

They said the term! meow-anarchist

Edit: not "anarkiddies" but "anarcho-kiddies"

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[-] destroyamerica@lemmygrad.ml 45 points 7 months ago

it's so over for us MLs the liberals are taking our dumb insults now

[-] Ho_Chi_Chungus@hexbear.net 43 points 7 months ago

if i had a nickel for every time i subscribed to a trans subreddit and they immediately post the most insufferable liberal bullshit the second after, i'd have two nickels

which isn't a lot but you know the rest of the meme

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[-] IMF_DOOM@hexbear.net 42 points 7 months ago

scared We've got to vote for the guy putting people in camps or he'll let the other guy put us in camps too!

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