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[-] nkat2112@sh.itjust.works 98 points 4 months ago

I'm a fan of yours, Flying Squid - I like your comments and posts.

And this meme is so very true. If I may quote someone named "John Rogers", who I don't know very well, but can find his words by searching "ayn rand lord of the rings orcs", here is something that I think others might find meaningful:

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 68 points 4 months ago

Thanks! That's very kind of you. And yes, I love that quote. Also, this comic:

[-] Smokeless7048@lemmy.world 7 points 4 months ago

found this a good read: https://onlysky.media/alee/why-libertarian-cities-fail/

i love their point about atlas shrugged. all the rich "Dooers" have retreated to a single valley, while the world falls into chaos without the billionaire ruling class.

In this valley, everything is prestine. You have untouched forrests, fields, perfect lakes.

And somehow, you have one guy logging the forest making enough lumber for a city of a hundred, despite the forest being untouched. you have fresh oranges and coffee... despite the world falling apart. you have a single doctor, and no hospital, ect ect.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

It also required Galt inventing what was essentially a perpetual motion machine.

But my favorite thing about Atlas Shrugged is the idea that governments should stop interfering with railroads since it is impeding their progress.

You want governments to stop giving you land through eminent domain? Cool. Good luck.

[-] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 79 points 4 months ago

There is a very true Tumblr post that goes "it's really annoying, because "Atlas Shrugged" is such a raw title. The titan that holds up the world on his shoulders decides "no, fuck this shit" and shrugs. For it to be wasted on a book that's just "I hate poor people, actually." Is a travesty"

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 9 points 4 months ago

I'm an absolute waste of oxygen moron so for the first time ever i'm realizing what the title meant... Thanks! Lol

[-] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 16 points 4 months ago

Could be worse, you could be agreeing with the contents.

[-] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 45 points 4 months ago

I'm neurodivergent and fell for this shit hard. It's actually pretty embarrassing to look back on. Luckily, I got better

[-] sebinspace@lemmy.world 18 points 4 months ago

This is good. Many people fall into this trap and never realize they’re trapped; they’re convinced it’s everyone else that’s trapped

[-] not_again@lemmy.world 34 points 4 months ago

I've read several books in the Objectivists library, including Atlas shrugged, the fountainhead, and the virtue of selfishness.

For a certain kind of person, I do think they have value in showing a different ethical/moral framework. To wit, if you have been raised on the principal that you must always sacrifice your own happiness for others, then Onjectivist philosophy is quite novel and can actually be helpful in moving towards a more self-actualized thought mode.

For most others, however, it can turn you into a raging a-hole.

In terms of how tenable the overall principles are in practice, just remember that Rand herself went on social security.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 11 points 4 months ago

I really like this take.

I think about those who like American Psycho or Breaking Bad, and even see themselves as those characters, unaware that those characters were assholes and emulating them makes you a bad person.

Where others see how f'd up the system is and these two are pushing the limits of what's acceptable.

[-] Tenthrow@lemmy.world 5 points 4 months ago

I mean, are there people who see themselves as Patrick Bateman? Walter white is a bit of a stretch too, but Bateman.

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Not really people who see themselves as those characters (except the terminally delusional) but people who just idolize those characters because they appear cool or witty or have agency, despite being terrible humans.

[-] JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 months ago

I wouldn’t say I respected Walter as a protagonist…he’s quite clearly an anti-hero.

But I will say that I hated Skyler the first time around. Second time, though, it was like she’s the only rational person in the whole show. Especially towards the end.

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[-] teft@lemmy.world 30 points 4 months ago

I commend you for posting this meme in the correct order. A lot of times I see this posted with the frames reversed so it looks like taking off the glasses is what lets you see the craziness.

[-] littlebluespark@lemmy.world 25 points 4 months ago

"A lot of times" this is posted by children that have never seen They Live and don't know what it is to be all outta bubblegum.

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 24 points 4 months ago

Ugh.. Embarrassing memories of having read Atlas Shrugged when I was 17 and thinking it was deep...

Francisco D'Anconia was kind of inspiring with his, "I can do that," attitude but the strawman caricature of bad guv'mint was comical.

[-] Eldritch@lemmy.world 23 points 4 months ago

There's only one thing American libertarians hate more than poor people. And it's actual libertarians.

[-] Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago

My favorite part was Ayn Rand's last years of her life was getting government handouts.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

"No true Scotsman, REEEE!" motherfuckers when I deny the legitimacy of Scotland itself 😎

[-] Nougat@kbin.social 16 points 4 months ago

I read The Fountainhead instead, and it was interesting enough to keep me reading. "Okay, there's a lot of setup of characters and circumstances going on, I am curious to know how this plays out," and then it just ... doesn't. It was all a lead-up to a long, weakly written, and plainly stupid monologue about how completely ruthless all people should be at all times, only ever thinking in the shortest term about themselves.

I closed that book wondering why Ayn Rand was famous for anything beyond being a shitbag, when I was young enough to be kind of a shitbag myself.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

But there is the rape scene which Rand thought to paint in a positive light to read about.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

There's a tech recruiting company called "John Galt Staffing." I don't know if they're run by Libertarians or it's just an unfortunate name conflict, but whenever they contact me, I respond with an email saying that I won't do business with them.

If I had that name, I'd change it. "I just don't know why little Adolf is having trouble with his classmates."

Edit Fixed the spelling of the company name.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

If it's 'Gault,' it's probably coincidental. If it's Galt, almost certainly Randroids.

[-] sxan@midwest.social 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's "Galt" (and LinkedIn). Reviews on GlassDoor remind me of BioShock.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 4 months ago

It's like the companies calling themselves Skynet.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 7 points 4 months ago

so basically you're asking "Who is John Gault?"

[-] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

I have a relative who was named Adolph (with that spelling) immediately before the rise of Hitler. I think he kept it on the, "Why should I change my name? He's the one who sucks," logic, but I'm not sure.

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[-] lugal@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Ayn Rand was the villain all along?

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 7 points 4 months ago

Ayn Rand was the villain of her own novels, ho died on welfare.

[-] Colonel_Panic_@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

The real villains were the friends we made along the way.

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 10 points 4 months ago

Wtf is going on with his hand? Is this an AI image or something?

[-] lennybird@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

To be fair it's a universal truth that artists hate drawing hands lol

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

If you mean "Rowdy" Roddy Piper, it's all muscle.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 points 4 months ago

"How to commit to the bit" by Ayn Rand.

[-] PugJesus@kbin.social 4 points 4 months ago

"Everyone on this train deserves to die"

[-] beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago

"Why being a selfish prick is ACTSHUALLY GOOD so stop treating me like the asshole that I am acting like"

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