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I’m not sure what’s going on over there, but half the time I see a post from there or go into a comment section and it’s just…bad. Like old reddit the_donald bad. Constant trolling, etc. You TS just really bad vibes. I’ve been blocking the communities as they come up, but I’m not sure what else I can do.

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[-] CARCOSA@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago

I am formally asking hexbear users to stop participating in meta posts on other instances.

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[-] ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone 129 points 1 year ago

Unless they start brigading heavily or cross a line in terms of the communities they house, we won't be defederating them.

Their own communities are, quite something, but their admins have told them to be on their best behaviour when engaging in communities outside of their instance, and so far, they seem to be doing that

[-] spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I think the fact that they’re more active in this thread than the blahaj folks is fairly emblematic of the problem. They can't seem to help themselves with the brigading and they do seem to be drowning out local opinion with tankie rhetoric and spam.

EDIT: Just pointing out that if this were a blahaj exclusive thread you would get a very different sense of where popular opinion actually stands.

EDIT 2: I was initially pretty excited about federating with hexbear but I think after seeing the effect it has on the overall tone of discussion I'm pretty disappointed.

Not having downvotes does not, by any means, mean you need to post your disagreement. Our instance also does not have downvotes. You ARE drowning out exactly the sort of discussion this community is for. I can guarantee what you would like to say has already been posted and upvoting those posts and moving on IS the appropriate way to handle this issue in a meta community for an instance you are not a part of.

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[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

That's good to hear! I like getting blahaj posts in my feed

spoilertransshork-happy

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[-] jsnc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 115 points 1 year ago

Hexbear is really queer friendly and polite. It's also one of the few actual leftist spaces on here after the homogenization of lemmy.world and lemmy.ml. The main goal I've interpreted from Blahaj.zone is to be a queer-first and affirming space on Lemmy, so one has to prove that Hexbear is a large enough systemic threat to Blahaj's members to warrant defederating.

[-] melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 79 points 1 year ago

I don't think I'd describe hexbear as polite, they seem to get pretty rowdy, even antagonistic at times. Otherwise I agree though. It would be a shame to cut off one of the largest queer friendly instances out there.

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[-] iByteABit@lemm.ee 100 points 1 year ago

It can often get tense with them and I don't agree with some of their takes, but they are definitely a voice to consider seriously and worth arguing (in a polite way) with.

Unlike those conservative right echo chambers, most of them are actually educated, historically literate and smart, and they actually provide sources for their claims instead of hand waiving and using every falacy in the book.

[-] Swiggles@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 1 year ago

The problem is that they are in support of regimes which are currently or historically anti LGBT+. There is no further discussion to be had. Even if they claim to be whatever, they are against us. Their ideology is incompatible with our freedom and possibly our lives.

You cannot be pro Soviet, pro Russia, pro China or whatever else and LGBT+. You would fight against that for the same reason you fight against Nazis. The ecological politics or so are irrelevant at this point. Even if you agree with that, don't forget that they want us gone.

This is so close to the Nazi bar problem and I fully understand why defederation might be the best course of action. Personally I don't know what the right call is, but I blocked the instance using the Connect app anyway.

[-] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I actually view the rainbow-washing of us foreign policy as a big part of the problem- It allows reactionaries and conservatives to express bigotry and persecute LGBT people under the guise of being "anti-imperialist" or resisting western influences.

Fuck corporate pride and rainbow raytheon shit, America has historically been extremely shitty to gay and trans people and it makes me sick even being associated with their 'foreign policy'. Just because they 'legalized gay marriage' via decree 8 years ago, doesn't mean they've not done real genocides in the past to LGBT people, and aren't laying the groundwork for doing it again in the future (eg Florida).

Allies marched gay people right back into the concentration camps when they liberated them, for example:

As the Allies swept through Europe to victory over the Nazi regime in early 1945, hundreds of thousands of concentration camp prisoners were liberated. The Allied Military Government of Germany repealed countless laws and decrees. Left unchanged, however, was the 1935 Nazi revision of Paragraph 175. Under the Allied occupation, some homosexuals were forced to serve out their terms of imprisonment regardless of time served in the concentration camps. The Nazi version of Paragraph 175 remained on the books of the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) until the law was revised in 1969 to decriminalize homosexual relations between men over the age of 21.

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[-] Are_Euclidding_Me@hexbear.net 62 points 1 year ago

I'd urge you to consider the fact that we are explicitly, radically pro-trans. Our mod team is over half trans people and our userbase heavily skews that direction as well. I myself am trans. And I'm a communist, partially because of the experiences I've had as a trans person living under neoliberalism. I didn't start out as a communist, I slowly drifted that way as a result of learning, specifically learning more history. I'll recommend the podcast Blowback here, I think all 3 seasons are really good, well-researched, informative, and entertaining. They give a lot of context to various US actions abroad and it's a very approachable podcast. Season 4 is coming out soon and I can't wait!

Also, check out Cuba's family code if you want an example of a communist country being extremely socially progressive. It's cool and good!

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[-] sammer510@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago

Then by your logic you cannot be pro US or pro NATO and be LGBT. Funny

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[-] ChestRockwell@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago

I mean, a lot of us are pro-Cuba, which is AES and has some of the most progressive family policy in the world.

Also, your "historical" thing is just really hard to process. After all, standards change. Hell, within the "West", LGBTQ+ acceptance is barely 40 years old (and often, as we see, under attack for the gains that have been won). Was the US in the 90's really that much better for LGBTQ+ folks than the USSR before it collapsed? And while not LGBTQ specifically, the situation of women in the USSR was far superior to the West - especially in STEM..

This doesn't mean that we can't (and shouldn't) judge the lack of LGBTQ+rights in the past -- we can and should. However, Cuba's family policy shows that there's nothing inherent to communism that's "incompatible with our freedom and possibly our lives."

In summary (and here I'll post my only emoji, since there's the bug), fidel-cool

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[-] LeylaaLovee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 84 points 1 year ago

Hexbear is widely old Chapo. They're an odd bunch, but honestly I'd defed Lemmy.world long before Hexbear was in sigh.

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[-] LesbianLiberty@hexbear.net 77 points 1 year ago

It's certainly the most trans friendly place I've encountered bar none, the original CTH helped me realize I was trans

[-] xXthrowawayXx@hexbear.net 73 points 1 year ago

you'll never find another instance as trans friendly as hexbear.

if you need to cut allies off to avoid getting trolled idk man, that seems lame.

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[-] lapis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 71 points 1 year ago

Hexbear leans meme-tankie but on the flipside they’re very supportive of queer people. I don’t agree with them on everything, but I don’t feel unwelcome there either, so I personally disagree with both defederation and the comparison to T_D.

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[-] Star@lemmy.blahaj.zone 70 points 1 year ago

I mean I'll admit my bias as a politically-minded leftist, but I like them. I don't agree with all their takes, but it feels like a positive way to poke some holes in the echo chamber a bit.

[-] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 69 points 1 year ago

Hexbear has the highest proportion of people with neopronouns in their names that I've seen on the entire fediverse, and for that reason alone I would prefer that they stay federated.

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[-] Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 69 points 1 year ago

I've had only very positive interactions with hexbear users. They definitely have their own vibe within their communities from being unfederated for a while, but I don't see why that is a reason to defederate. If you don't like hexbear comments sections then just... don't open them??? Do you even want to be in the fediverse?

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[-] Starlet@hexbear.net 65 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All trans hexbear emotestrans-dagger trans-egg trans-ferret trans-gun trans-hammer-sickle trans-hatch trans-heart trans-sad trans-specter trans-undertale trans-uno trans-vegan transshork-happy transshork-sad cat-trans blahaj gui-trans anarchy-trans hexbear-trans bridget-pride bridget-pride-stay-mad stfu-terf meow-knife-trans leslie-feinberg bridget-smug crazy-frog-trans

almost as bad as the_donald though

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[-] DBVegas@hexbear.net 61 points 1 year ago

Don't compare us to the_donald just because we're not libs. I'm trans, just also a Marxist Leninist.

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 60 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hexbear is more trans friendly than the majority of trans places, honestly. The reason for this is the mods defer to trans users on what counts as transphobia, half the mod team itself is trans, and offensive posts are removed quickly before they can affect other people. I'd say its more trans positive than here, based off what I've seen. There are chaser comments that are left up even in response to moderators and admins on blahaj, these would be rapidly removed on hexbear. Plenty of trans places, this one included, also are not very good at weeding out people that are being sneaky about their transphobia and chaser habits, which can poison the well. And not only do the moderators of hexbear do good work, the dev team specifically goes out of their way to program ways to make trans users feel more comfortable (e.g. the universal pronoun tag system).

As a trans woman that is also a survivor of abuse, jokes are made all over the internet about sexual violence and its very hard for me to avoid upsetting my PTSD. Hexbear actively removes these sorts of posts rapidly, too, and even removes borderline cases like bringing up SV out of context and without content warnings. For these reasons hexbear is the main site I visit, no other site or community really comes close.

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[-] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 55 points 1 year ago

I defederated my instance.

I thought lemmy.ca's justification pretty compelling. They are self-avowedly more interested in trolling, harassing other users, and crapping on other people’s politics. They don’t even make a secret of it.

It’s unfortunate because they do seem really queer and queer-friendly. But they seem to be totally uninterested in doing anything other than dunking HARD on anyone to the right of Lenin. So… passing on seeing that, personally.

[-] AceProgrammer42@lemmy.blahaj.zone 53 points 1 year ago

I thought this was a bit overkill, because they seemed well behaved for the most part, although a bit annoying every now and then. But this comment section shows exactly why we probably should. They're so combative and seem to completely dominate the discussion.

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