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Can we defederate from hexbear.net?
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I actually view the rainbow-washing of us foreign policy as a big part of the problem- It allows reactionaries and conservatives to express bigotry and persecute LGBT people under the guise of being "anti-imperialist" or resisting western influences.
Fuck corporate pride and rainbow raytheon shit, America has historically been extremely shitty to gay and trans people and it makes me sick even being associated with their 'foreign policy'. Just because they 'legalized gay marriage' via decree 8 years ago, doesn't mean they've not done real genocides in the past to LGBT people, and aren't laying the groundwork for doing it again in the future (eg Florida).
Allies marched gay people right back into the concentration camps when they liberated them, for example:
I don't live in the USA and I am not fond of its politics in any way. It does not matter though. We are trying to survive and flourish with what we have.
What you are saying is that what I am doing is actually just bullshit. I am trying to improve the working environment for other LGBT+ people, I help them with problems they have. I fully support visibility of queer people in their work place and I spend a lot of personal time on that.
You know there are other problems people have which can be solved without a radical and forceful revolution. It is unrealistic and currently a daydream at best. I am actually trying to improve the situation with the cards that were dealt and for some reason you ridicule all of that.
Sorry, but that's just a bad take. You are barking at the wrong tree.
When the game is rigged, sometimes the only response is to upend the table.
You might not be familiar with queer history in the US, but one of the pivotal moments in it- Stonewall, was an actual riot, with cops beating the shit out of trans girls and everything. It immediately got whitewashed and co-opted by liberal elements to the point where now people routinely have cops at pride!
It's a convenient fantasy that rights can be won by passively participating and voting. Rights are won by fighting for them, and making people uncomfortable until they give you what you want.
Of course I am aware what is happening, what was happening and where you are heading. Where I live I am doing my part and don't you dare to ridicule that.
We are gaining ground. Many things got better over the past few years where I live and I will continue to do what I do and support what I can support.
I cannot wait and dream about some communist revolution and look down on others for actually trying. At this point I am not sure if this discussion is even in good faith anymore or if you just want to insult me and others like me.
I haven't insulted you, at least not intentionally - you seem to think I'm sitting on my hands posting online, I do plenty of real life organizing with other trans and unhoused people. It's being exposed to people living on the fringes of society that I otherwise have so much in common with that gives me this orientation towards electoralism.
we're not against you. We are you. We all want a better world and work towards it however we can. Painting us as queerphobic feels pretty disingenuous
Then stop associating with the queerphobic regimes. Simple.
If you side with the people who are against us I have no reason to trust you in any way.
A significant portion of Hexbears users are LGBT themselves. Your argument kind of falls flat.
No, not really. It is not even special. I mean there are Polish Nazis around. They associate with the same people who will eat their face the first chance they get.
That's how I see you. It's the same situation really.
I don't understand why you associate with those regimes, defend them or even cheer them on. But I doubt there is anything I can say to change your mind.
There is nothing you can say to change my mind, no, because it seems all you have to try to convince me is concern trolling and that's not gonna help you lol. But I'll cheer on any country or regime that challenges Western hegemony, NATO, and AmeriKKKa. Not uncritically. But being opposed to the US and NATO is a good thing actually so 🤷♂️
And because you are against those things your conclusion is to support the next bad actor on the world stage?
What a terrible take.
China is a lot more ethical than the US? And russia will never be more than a regional superpower, and anti-colonial theorists basically all agree that multiple poles of power in the world is good for anti-colonialist struggle.
China? What time? The forced castrations? Not allowed to be employed and shunned by the public? Officially seen as a disease until just a few years ago and still by big parts of the public? The judges ruling homosexuals as abnormal and unacceptable? Even after slightly more acceptance in the past 10 years the regular police raids of gay bars? The cancellation of any LGBT+ events? It still being seen as abnormal sexual practices?
I am not sure I ever read about any trans* rights at all. It is probably much worse or I assume impossible to even receive any gender affirming care or rights. This last part is pure speculation based on the way China is handling homosexuality.
If it wasn't about LGBT+ rights. Oh dear. We want to gloss over the Uyghur genocide? Concentration camps put a country very far to the bottom of my list of ethical regimes.
Also what is with all the US comparisons and whataboutism? I mean just because it is horrible what they are doing doesn't make any of the other major problems any less severe.
You can search places like c/askchapo to get some information on this topic, or post a thread yourself if you like.
tl;dr it's atrocity propaganda and both the UN and every Muslim-majority country in the world agrees
Hey, so I wanted to talk about this point a bit more. I’m LGBT+ myself, and I used to have issues with countries that are definitely not queer friendly. What changed my thinking about this was seeing how so-called progressive countries are far more harmful to us than most countries that have actual anti-LGBT+ laws.
The main example I would point to is Israel. I used to be somewhat supportive because I bought into the fact that they do give us some rights, whereas the main groups fighting for Palestinian people are not friendly to us. However, because of how many civilians are killed by Israel they objectively kill more LGBT+ people than Hamas or the PLA. A few years back there was a major bombing campaign against Gaza in which over 60 Palestinian children were killed. Statistically some of those kids would have grown up to be LGBT+ if they had been allowed to live. Now, being LGBT+ in Palestine is NOT a great situation, but it’s still better to be alive and have a chance to fight for better rights.
This applies even further for NATO and the US military. Hundreds of thousands of people were killed in the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan alone. Many of those people were LGBT+. Statistically the US war machine is the single biggest killer of people like us in the world.
This doesn’t even go into how our countries prop up anti-LGBT+ regimes like Saudi Arabia or the other gulf states. In the Israel example, they will entrap gay men and force them to act as spies, placing their lives in greater jeopardy. The recent burst of anti-LGBT+ laws in African countries are being funded and even written by American churches, churches which are untaxed and thus funded by the US government.
I'm also replying to your bottom comment, and lots of you generally, but I can shit on everything antilgbt and still hate russia, and not like nato. It's not some fucking wild thing. Stop acting like people here are fucking ignorant of the world.
Hating Russia is fine. It might surprise you but I, and many other hexbear users, also hate Russia. There are a lot of issues and I'm not speaking to the beliefs of the person you were responding to, but part of my issue is that neoliberals tend to take "hating Russia" as an opportunity to swallow the most ridiculous claims made against them, including actual Nazi historical revisionism and soft Holocaust denial, and then just say "I can hate two things at once!"
This isn't directed at you -- I don't know your views -- but there are a lot of self-identifying "leftists" online who just love to disavow the US but then believe everything the US (or western bloc in general) says about its enemies. I consider this part of that broader phenomenon.
Again, not speaking for the other person or for you, just thought it was worth mentioning.
yeah ok