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Can we defederate from hexbear.net?
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this post was submitted on 15 Aug 2023
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Unless they start brigading heavily or cross a line in terms of the communities they house, we won't be defederating them.
Their own communities are, quite something, but their admins have told them to be on their best behaviour when engaging in communities outside of their instance, and so far, they seem to be doing that
I think the fact that they’re more active in this thread than the blahaj folks is fairly emblematic of the problem. They can't seem to help themselves with the brigading and they do seem to be drowning out local opinion with tankie rhetoric and spam.
EDIT: Just pointing out that if this were a blahaj exclusive thread you would get a very different sense of where popular opinion actually stands.
EDIT 2: I was initially pretty excited about federating with hexbear but I think after seeing the effect it has on the overall tone of discussion I'm pretty disappointed.
Not having downvotes does not, by any means, mean you need to post your disagreement. Our instance also does not have downvotes. You ARE drowning out exactly the sort of discussion this community is for. I can guarantee what you would like to say has already been posted and upvoting those posts and moving on IS the appropriate way to handle this issue in a meta community for an instance you are not a part of.
The largest and most inclusive trans positive space outside of blahaj has “tankie rhetoric”. You might want to think on that.
It's almost like leftists stand for trans rights because it's in the best interests of our material conditions
I mean, i’d rather have this conversation with their input.
And yes, they have opinions. Opinions with which I often disagree. But recently my largest annoyance on Lemmy has been the “why are you intolerant towards bigots” contingent, not the hexbears.
So, we don't have downvotes and haven't for years. If I want to disagree with you, I have to respond, and I disagree with you. I'm not intending you harm by my reply, but, we're on a forum, what am I to do but post?
We're one of the oldest instances and have a ton of extremely active users. This post is about our instance and appeared in our feed, why wouldn't some of us respond to it?
We just like to post a lot
We don't have downvotes because some asshats were targetting trans posts(those asshats were purged) so we comment when we disagree.
we just post more than everyone else
you've gotta keep up
It's a thread about us, so . . .
My valiant neoliberal argument. Their insidious tankie rhetoric.
You can see the instance of the poster, can't you? And it's not like hexbear people are able to downvote posts, ~~so our vote is (while still something) relatively weaker.~~
It's actually a community about us, so...
I am a leftist.
We can't downvote either, but a quick sampling shows over 3x as many hexbear users commenting as blahaj, so...
It's kinda brutal, I actually started this night completely on their side.
It's an instance that is federated and it's not like there aren't people from other federated instances popping in to offer absolute bullshit.
Go on . . .
See the first sentence, you can see where we come from. An admin isn't going to mistake hexbear users for blahaj users, as you demonstrated with your sampling. Noted on the voting part.
I just found this thread, and I’m struggling to find discussion from users of my instance about this. It took me scrolling quite a while to see the reply from our own admin about this. It’s not just about the admins being able to see what comments are from blahaj users. I mean, I think comparing y’all to T_D is fucking bullshit. But like many other blahaj users have said by now, I want to defederate purely based off the brigading of this thread.
I’ve told users from other instances to fuck off out of meta discussions of defederation before and I’ll tell you the same thing.
To all the blahaj users, wasn’t it so refreshing that the admins removed top-level comments from other instance users on the kbin.social defederation post? I think that was the perfect balance, because this thread is a complete fucking shitshow. Not blaming the admins for that, they posted that thread so it would have been easier to keep on top of moderating it.
You say "brigading" but I'm just here because the thread was on the front page of Active, and I think most of the other activity from Hexbear users here can be accounted for that way. The only place where there is evidence of "brigading" is the admin's "People of Nato" comment (which, as an aside, is just an awful take).
no one has linked to this thread and encouraged users to jump in. it's just at the top of Active.
I see this post on my front page. I come in and comment. Many hexbears do the same. We just post a lot. No "brigade" necessary.
Tend to agree.
That's good to hear! I like getting blahaj posts in my feed
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Have you been in the news communities of late? Any time Russia/Ukraine comes up they're flooding it with Russian apologia and silly emoticons.
In a thoughtful and respectful dialogue, it would be more constructive to engage with differing ideas on their merits, rather than dismissing them with labels that may or may not apply.
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It’s not Russian apologia. It’s just pointing out that Ukraine is not a smol bean like the saturation by western media and Reddit lackeys have painted it as.
No moreso than liberals are flooding it with liberal apologia. Also the vast majority of us aren't pro russia, we're anti NATO and Anti the war in Ukraine. Russia is fucked
By sheer numbers we are probably "flooding" it more, though that isn't to speak one way or the other about the legitimacy of what any of us might say
Yeah the "whAt AbOuT UkraInian FASciSm" thing is pushed really hard over there.
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They weren't in Lemmy.ca, got defederated for shitposting, and being trolls over there.
Yep. Excessive spam of the pig poop emojis, brigades and harassing people. Shadow made the right choice kicking them out
This aged poorly lol
I stand with and support whatever you choose to do. I just thought I’d bring it up. Thanks for all you do!
My only complaint is the popularity might be crashing our instance lol, but they are cool.