As a European living in a big city I never quite understood just how huge these things are until I finally saw one stuck in traffic in a tiny Parisian street. These things are massive!
i've only ever seen VW amaroks, these are already pointlessly huge.
Dude these things struggle to fit in American cities! My mother in law was taking my wife and I to a concert in Chicago and last second we had to change plans and drive our car because hers was too big to park in our reserved parking space. My small crossover which is tiny by rural farming community standards was a tight squeeze. Her truck also took up literally half of our 3.5 car wide driveway (my house is a former rental)
The bed of that stupid thing is about twice as high as the useful one, so you have to lift the cargo twice as high.
bold of you to assume they're using it for more than their weekly groceries
Groceries are enough cargo to need a truck, of course. You can't possibly hold that much in a sedan.
You would have to, if you ever used it for work.
Not to bust anyone’s bubble, but you can thank the EPA and their MPG guidelines for all these stupidly huge trucks. Why we can't have small trucks
I mean, this is a factor I'm sure, but the reality is people want the big trucks. The big trucks sell. That's the major factor. If this were the real reason the EV trucks would be small, right? Well they're not, they're gigantic. You can hava long and wide wheelbase without a 5 person cab, you can have an extended bed. You can have a long and wide wheelbase without a giant front end you can't see over. The footprint doesn't mandate a tall, luxurious cab.
Do people want big trucks or have they been manipulated through clever marketing to want big trucks because they're more profitable for the manufacturers (marketing included)?
Yeah, blame the governmental entity that gets its hands tied behind its back by protectionist lobbyists and corrupt Supreme Court Justices, and not the the big 3 reaping the rewards. Just like the IRS and the USPS.
Actually, most of the nerfing and defanging of the three letter organizations has been pulling of their funding by certain leaning politicians. The EPA made the rules with the help of the big three, they are all to blame.
There's this dude on YouTube called oats Jenkins and makes better versions of things, he made a "traffic 2" video and in it he said something along the lines of "oh and you will need a permission ticket for a pickup added to your driving licence if you want one, so that only people who need a pickup truck can have one"
This is absolutely genius in my opinion, and I saw these big ass pickups spreading into europe, and like where I live (pretty small far away town of which there's a ton of in Europe) they would take up somewhere to 3/4 to the full damn road (I saw someone drive one and it really went like that those things are as big as a bus)
In the Netherlands you need to register one as a company vehicle to be able to import it which seems like it'd be a pretty sizeable limitation... yet I still see these pieces of shit everywhere, being used as personal vehicles exclusively
"Status symbol"
Every time I see a bro dozer I automatically assume dude's absolutely drowning in debt and either being propped up by his poor wife or living in a trailer park and 4 months behind on rent.
In my experience, everyone I know that lived in trailers were doing actual work and drove actual work trucks. Everyone I know that lived off parents money and drove to an office and never did a lick of manual work drove the big truck.
This is my observation as well. Most people driving these abominations fairly well-off people from the suburbs, in my experience.
More than once I have thought about getting a bunch of business card-sized notes professionally printed that say “I love how S H I N Y your truck is!” with tons of glitter and a rainbow-colored font for the word “shiny” to put on the windshields of all the clean trucks I see in the city near me
I really love the design aesthetics of older trucks. They were uniquely cozy in their own kind of way. I wish you could buy new small sized utilitarian trucks, but literally nobody in the industry sells them anymore because the consumer keeps buying these behemoth trucks and so luxury has become the standard when it should have only encompassed a small portion of the truck market share.
What's fucked is it wasn't even the consumers who caused the trucks to get bigger. It was poorly thought out emissions taxes. The US decided to tax car makers more for high emissions cars, but didn't tax more for large truck emissions... So the car makers decided to make the light trucks bigger instead of trying to make the emissions better. People wanting luxury is a factor, but it's not why they are nearly semi sized these days.
Just look at the first image, the truck on the left is from the Japanese market where they taxed car makers less for cars and trucks under a certain size, those trucks are used in greater abundance than American style trucks as it is more versatile. If they had the option, I'm sure a lot of consumers would choose the smaller truck. Leaving the big trucks for status symbol pricks and people who actually need a big truck for towing.
I wish that 20 years ago, we had a serious discussion about emissions requirements. Catalytic converters increase CO2 output through a variety of direct and indirect means, but they reduce all other types of emissions. It would have been nice if we could have had an adult discussion about letting off some of those requirements in order to reduce CO2.
Not much point now.
So I've used huge stupid trucks for work a lot. Bush work. So shitty roads in the middle of nowhere, heavy loads.
Here is what I've learned:
The beds are undersized proportionate to their size, so it's pretty common to put canopies on them, which raises the center of gravity even further than it already is (which is pretty goddamn high). Rollovers are common, and loading the things is in itself hazardous. I've loaded a lot of shit in and out of these things, and had a bunch of close calls. It's a long way to fall, and you're more likely to fall than in a shorter vehicle.
The build quality is overall pretty bad, so the pillars are huge. Stupid large, which creates really big blindspots where there just don't need to be.
These trucks aren't really designed to go off road, so things like traction control tend to really get in the way. That whole system is built off of ABS (which doesn't work in situations where your traction is limited), and this will effectively kill your power when your tires start to spin. You have to override the default settings of these trucks to get them to work as advertised. It will make you stuck when you don't need to be.
The high hood is dumb. You have to look far ahead to maintain safety, because the blind spot in front of your truck is huge. Do you know what happens when you're on a steep climb around sharp corners? You straight up can't see. The only safe way to go is to get out of the truck and drive from memory. It's legit fucking stupid.
The blind spots in the rear of the truck is enormous. I've driven trucks with empty beds where I can see out the rear view mirror, and I've driven trucks with canopies that cover up the rear window. There's basically no difference in visibility.
Frat boy house mate from Brooklyn in college had a dualie. Completely unnecessary for where he lived (home or at school). Dad was a biz kid, he was a biz kid...
I asked him one day "what'r ya haulin'?"
I am no longer friends with this man.
Aaaaaaah yes, the pavement princess. Drive like they own the streets, but never done a day's work in their lives
What's a guy gotta do to get one of those cool little cab over trucks in the US? I looked into it a while ago and it seems like they're only made overseas.
In 2011, the CAFE standards were adjusted, and fuel economy standards started being based on the vehicle's footprint. So small trucks suddenly had to have absurdly high fuel economy. At the same time, instead of having to make trucks more and more efficient every year, they can just make them bigger.
It's why the Ford Maverick base model is a hybrid. Making the hybrid the upgrade and the gas engine standard would keep Ford from meeting CAFE standards. But it's also the reason the Ford Ranger is now the size of an older F-150.
I saw one of those with TWO cab extensions yesterday, there was like 2 feet of bed and the rest was just all cab. I cannot wrap my head around the thought process of whoever built that piece of shit.
Oh it’ve very simple, they’re exempt form CAFE standards if it’s a utility vehicle. So they can build hummer esque land yachts and not have it tank the average fuel economy of their fleet.
There are way too many pavement princesses where I live.
Big ass truck
Used for one person to go to their office job and back home.
Maybe 1/100 of them actually are used for actual truck tasks and they're not the massive ones
My sedan has seen more dirt roads than most of these trucks combined
I like to call those huge trucks in pristine conditions, "Glam trucks"
Pavement Princess
I think that any Vic exempt form CAFE standards or protected from import competition by huge terifs, should require a commercial license to operate. Give the automakers a choice, sell the vehicle outside of their special safe space, or shrink the market that can buy it drasticaly.
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