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shopping rule theory (media.kbin.run)
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[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 82 points 8 months ago

I saw someone leave their cart next to their car and get back in the car. So I grabbed it and put it in the corral a few spaces away. That person drove back through the parking lot to tell me to "mind my own business". I still get a little schadenfreude about how upset they were over their own conscience and perceived social judgement.

[-] Excrubulent@slrpnk.net 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

"Mind your own business" is such a perfect encapsulation of how completely incapable of self-reflection that person must be.

The cart was no longer their business, but yours. So not only couldn't they recognise that the judgment they felt came from within, they projected that feeling outwards so hard they ended up sticking their nose into your business about it.

That's how they avoid learning basic life lessons like, "I should return the cart," because as soon as they hit the "I should" part they freak out and make it everyone else's problem.

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[-] RandomVideos@programming.dev 40 points 8 months ago

In Europe, you have the incentive of getting a coin back

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 22 points 8 months ago

the very fact that they had to install this system tells us all we need to know about humanity.

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[-] derpgon@programming.dev 8 points 8 months ago

No free Litmus test for us, sad.

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[-] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 34 points 8 months ago

Why not use the European system where you have to use a coin to unlock the cart from the stack. People are more likely to return the cart if it costs them money if they don’t and if they still leave the cart out some kid or hobo will return it eventually.

[-] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 30 points 8 months ago

Some stores in the US do this, most notably Aldi. It's kind of a pain in the ass, especially in an increasingly cashless society.

[-] verysoft@kbin.social 25 points 8 months ago

Names a European store.

They sell like coin shaped discs you can put on your keyring, dunno if that's a thing in the US though.

[-] FakeGreekGirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 8 months ago

Yes, I know Aldi started in Europe.

My point was, they have stores in the US, and their stores in the US also do this. Which is unusual for US stores. Trader Joe's, for example (which is also owned by one of the Aldi companies) just has regular carts without the coin chain things.

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[-] WorldwideCommunity@lemm.ee 34 points 8 months ago

The shopping cart theory, as written here, starts as a litmus test for whether a person is capable of self governing and descends into two paths:

  1. If you do return the cart you are doing it out of the goodness of your heart and because it is correct; and
  2. If you don't you are no better than an animal, a savage, who does what is right only because there is a law in place or you are forced to.

Self-governance: Are you a good person or a monster? There is no middle ground.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 49 points 8 months ago

WRONG there is a third option where i take the cart home and eat it with my teeth 😬

[-] Knightfox@lemmy.one 10 points 8 months ago

Become ungovernable

[-] Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 9 points 8 months ago

Or, when people live within walking distance of the store, take the cart home, unload your groceries and then leave the cart by the street.

[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

good way to get your teeth stronger for the "eat the rich" movement

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[-] Zeshade@lemmy.world 23 points 8 months ago

So you are criticising the over simplification presented here and I agree with you.

I would however point out that although I also don't like the binary aspect of their blurb, I find that I would quite agree with their final sentence. I don't think the test shows whether we are a good or a bad person, but it does say something about a person's ability to fit in a society.

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[-] Etterra@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

Remember that a lot of religious people believe that without written rules of what is right or wrong that we'd all turn into literal murder hobos.

[-] spujb@lemmy.cafe 7 points 8 months ago

jesse what the fuck are you talking about jesse

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[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 27 points 8 months ago

I am glad I live in a place where many grocery stores don't have this problem, because they don't have parking lots, because most of their customers don't even have a car much less would drive it to get groceries if they did. (Yes, I do realize how fortunate I am.)

[-] pulaskiwasright@lemmy.ml 23 points 8 months ago

A long time ago I worked at a grocery store and I preferred it when people didn’t return the carts. Would you rather spend your day gathering carts outside or gathering carts for 10 minutes at a time and then having to deal with customers?

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

Customers in the store are bitchy and demanding.

Customers outside the store are bitchy, demanding, and controlling a two-ton machine.

Hard choice.

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[-] darthskull@lemmy.ca 8 points 8 months ago
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[-] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 17 points 8 months ago

But I gotta get my quid back.

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[-] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 15 points 8 months ago

Counterpoint:

The Wholefoods in Redmond, Wa is known as Hellfoods by their employees because of how cold people are there and how overbearing management can be. It also is in one of the most beautiful parts of the country. When I worked there, I love the warm summer evenings when I could go out to the outfield to fetch a cart because I got to be outside and no longer under the micromanagement that is retail.

When I would clock off, sometimes I'd nab a cart and send it out on purpose for the guy behind me to give them an escape.

[-] Laticauda@lemmy.ca 7 points 8 months ago

Did every other employee feel the same way as you? Because otherwise that's not a counterpoint.

[-] meep_launcher@lemm.ee 7 points 8 months ago

But you could say the same for the original premise- not every employee hates getting rogue carts, in fact many like getting them.

I gave an anecdotal point, but the broader argument simply questions one of the assumptions of OP.

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[-] wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

Every time I fail to return a shopping cart on a beautiful spring day, the grocery store’s Cart Gatherer thanks me kindly and calls, “Thank you kind citizen for giving me leave to leave the hellhole that I was stuck in because the world is filled with assholes who are stealing my job! I want to be in the sunlight! Don’t take that from me!!”

[-] kamen@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Where I am people do not trust people and shopping carts are coin operated.

[-] Old_Dude@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

What if returning the carts is my usual practice, but there was a time crunch one time and I needed to save myself the extra 30 seconds?

[-] tmyakal@lemm.ee 22 points 8 months ago

I'm having a tough time imagining a scenario where you're in too much of a hurry to spend 30 seconds returning the cart, but not too much of a hurry to buy your merchandise and load it in your vehicle.

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[-] Thermal_shocked@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago

Then your time management sucks.

[-] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 9 points 8 months ago

If you are in such a hurry you don't even have 30 seconds, you shouldn't be shopping in the first place, especially if you buy enough to fill a cart.

[-] Asafum@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago

Believe it or not, jail!

[-] BluesF@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Unless you get a phone call just after unloading your shit into your car what sort of emergency allows you to shop but still demands literally no second be spared?

[-] doggle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 8 months ago

The post specifies an exemption for dire emergencies. It would need to be pretty dire for 30s to make a meaningful difference.

Otherwise, by the metric here, you're a bad person whenever you're in a moderate hurry.

[-] BreadOven@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

I suppose if it was dire you save those 30s, it's acceptable.

But you would not be immune to being judged by a third party. They wouldn't know the situation is dire unless explaining it, which would take at least a few seconds.

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[-] Thcdenton@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago
[-] CCF_100@sh.itjust.works 8 points 8 months ago

prints this image out a million times and attaches it to every shopping cart I can find

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