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submitted 11 months ago by vestmoria@linux.community to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

the most egregious example I can think of is antiwork in reddit. Posters there love to rant against companies, but they also give good advice regarding laws in different states and is a good source to deal with micromanagers and toxic workplaces.

But it's like they simply don't think that reddit is making money with every post they write. It's like they're working for the enemy they so much despise, a large corporation.

It baffles me that people keep posting there. Is the fediverse alternative really that bad?

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[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 156 points 11 months ago

It may be hard to believe for everyone here, since we made the jump. Most people just want to be where everyone else is. They get the most interaction there, from their point of view, so thats where they stay.

Also, we may be biased toward tech here. The average person probably loathes setting up new accounts and figuring out new websites.

[-] GregorGizeh@lemmy.zip 75 points 11 months ago

Lemmy is largely nerdy, linux loving leftist early tech adopters. In a sense, we sit in an echo chamber until the platform becomes more widely adopted, even though it doesn’t feel that way.

[-] Instigate@aussie.zone 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Oh it’s definitely an echo chamber in every sense; there’s no doubt that opinions that tend to be popular on Lemmy are not really representative of true public opinion. The important thing is that we maintain awareness of that and never let ourselves think that what we agree upon, society at large will also agree upon. That awareness helps inoculate against some of the worst effects of an echo chamber.

[-] HRDS_654@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

It's too late for some of the Linux Lemmys. lol

[-] TheMinions@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Hey! I’m a nerdy, windows hating, early tech adopter who is strongly considering switching his personal PC to Linux but has very limited time in which to do so.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Consider using the Debian version of Linux Mint if you want something user friendly that just works

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[-] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

I do love Linux. You got me there.

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 18 points 11 months ago

Yeah like I don’t miss Reddit at all except how much more frequently people post on truegaming there. We haven’t quite gotten our community off the ground here yet, but I’m optimistic!

[-] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

It will all unfold gradually. I continue to use Reddit and also enjoy Lemmy. The main issue with Reddit, particularly the old.reddit version, is the lack of a dark mode and the need to zoom in to poke around on the phone, which becomes a bit cumbersome. Back when Apollo was around, it significantly enhanced the Reddit experience.

Over time, users will come to recognize that the experience on Reddit is less than ideal. Currently, its only advantage is its large user base which is increasing becoming run by bots.

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[-] dRLY@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

It is also crucial that leftists be where the masses are in order to make whatever pushes that can be made. There can't be class awakening if leftist aren't there to speak-up, otherwise it is all just reactionaries and bootlickers spreading their lies.

[-] OpenStars@startrek.website 8 points 11 months ago

Especially with the constant breakages. It's still very much beta version software (and Kbin is still alpha).

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[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 69 points 11 months ago

antiwork on Reddit is a joke at this point. Honestly (and I say this as a pretty staunch leftist), fox news is right about something with AntiWork, that it is for the most part a bunch of lazy people who don't want to work.

Now that being said, before you downvote me to hell, I strongly do believe in workreform, and the new workreform communities here (and I assume on Reddit but I'm not there anymore) are much better at having a clear message of not being abused and workers rights. Antiwork may have once had that message, but now it's drowned in "I don't want to work at all I should be able to have everything I want for free" garbage, and it makes the entire movement look bad.

[-] Nemo@midwest.social 53 points 11 months ago

You have it backwards. Antiwork was always anti-work and was gradually rehabilitated into also including content about work reform.

[-] BolexForSoup@kbin.social 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It’s not a secret. That sub began out of a shared communal sense by folks who literally do not want to work. They are against having jobs. They’re actually pretty clear about that in my experience but it’s been a while.

It’s actually the work reform folks who are the newcomers in that community.

[-] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

not wanting to work isn’t “being lazy”, you can do all sort of stuff if you didn’t have to waste 8 hours a day for stupid corporate crap (so that others will not need to work)

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 30 points 11 months ago

That falls under the preconception that working is only working if it's the benefit of capitalism. You can work for a better future. You can work to better yourself. You can work to spread peace and joy to the world around you. The problem is that work is tied to capitalism in social consciousness.

[-] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago

I agree wholeheartedly with you!

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 6 points 11 months ago

lol. Yeah well, I'd love not to work either but I also want food, a home, and to do things I enjoy, so, hear me out, in our society I trade my skills and time for money to pay for those things.

If you want to talk about tangible, actionable items like how much money, or how many hours, or anything that can actually be done, then we can have a conversation. If your standpoint is "We shouldn't have to work" then to me that's not an argument. Very few people want to work - but I hate to be the one to tell you this but we aren't going to tear down 1000s of years of society in a couple of years. There's a reason Star Trek is set centuries in the future.

[-] nitefox@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

I agree with you. I don’t want to work, but I have to so I do. That doesn’t mean I don’t dream of a time where we won’t have to work anymore [for pointless, shitty, greedy stuff]

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 4 points 11 months ago

Yeah that's my main realization over the years. We can't change the system just by being against it. We have to use the crappy system to change it incrementally over time.

[-] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

The modern concept of work is relatively new, and a product of capitalism. Being anti-work is being against the modern concept of work, not labor in general.

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[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago

I’m going to suggest a different take. The antiworkers all work for shitty companies and hate their jobs, and they cannot imagine that anyone else out there is in a different situation. It’s unfathomable to them that some of us might work for pretty ok companies, and do work that, while it’s not as fun as recreating, brings it’s own blend of challenge and fulfillment.

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[-] regdog@lemmy.world 38 points 11 months ago

"Antiwork" does not leave because that would mean additional work. It is right in the title!

[-] Zorque@kbin.social 37 points 11 months ago

antiwork is filled with people who love to bitch but hate doing anything about it. Staying on reddit because of inertia is exactly the kind of thing that represents them.

[-] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago

Anti-work can stay on Reddit. I'm sick of their bitching.

[-] Crowfiend@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

Yeah, antiwork was a low effort pace to cry about having to work for a living. Workreform was where all the genuine discussion about stagnating and/or shitty workplace practices.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lemmy is still small and it doesn't have the crowd sourced discussion or reach that Reddit does.

Sure some people might be after the karma or attention, but it's bad to just lump everyone together with that assumption. People have different reasons for continuing to use other platforms, and it's not productive to throw around insults. I assume lots of Reddit users are aware of the issues, but continue to use it for other reasons. Some people may be using Lemmy / fediverse on top of Reddit.

  • People may read content relevant to them to get discussion that doesn't exist on Lemmy yet. That might include social causes, career pages, hobbies, etc.

  • People might post on Reddit to reach more people. When it comes to social causes / movements, reaching people is important wherever those people might be. I extend this to other platforms too. As annoying as it might feel, a lot of regular users are primarily on Instagram, TikTok, etc. and it's worth the effort to get the message to those people. Lots of people learn about social causes that way

For what it's worth, you can't get people to move to the Fediverse if they don't learn about it

[-] GreyShuck@feddit.uk 24 points 11 months ago

Do you really find it that baffling that people are choosing to provide help and advice in a setting that has millions of active users rather than a setting that has some thousands?

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

It's a difference in priorities. People stay on Reddit because that's where the heat is. I hope that people go here because we understand the inherent dangers of for-profit social media. People can make their own choices.

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[-] TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 13 points 11 months ago

Because some people don’t infuse their political identity into everything they do

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[-] shinigamiookamiryuu@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

I'm both here and there. Both have strengths and weaknesses. Reddit, I find, is better for getting more inputs. This place lacks that (hence this question is as askable as it is) but is good for getting more engagement for one's worth. Money isn't everything.

[-] argo_yamato@lemm.ee 11 points 11 months ago

If I had to guess it would be the amount of engagement. I love Lemmy but I still use reddit for some communities that just aren't popular here.

[-] Pratai@lemmy.ca 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Asking this is like asking people that don’t like increasing food prices, why do they still go to the grocery store. I think they’re using Reddit because they want to. And if they want to, let them.

And to some, yes- the fediverse is that bad. The far-left socialist leaning communities that block/ban everyone with a reasonable argument against their core belief is an absolute deterrent to lemmy, flies in the face of what Lemmy is all about, and are a BIG reason a lot of people, including myself have chosen to return to Reddit.

Now, you could say that Reddit is just as bad, and you’d be right, but if it’s just as bad but with FAR more content and interaction….

It’s a no brainer.

Also:

Antiwork is a cringe sub full of people that share fake memes and whine about a lot of things while doing nothing about it. It’s a wind-tunnel. Nothing more. You don’t want that shit here.

[-] themusicman@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

Anyone with half a brain switched from antiwork to workreform after the moderation drama a couple of years ago. Doesn't surprise me that the remaining members are hard to displace

[-] CeruleanRuin@lemmings.world 9 points 11 months ago

Sometimes you just have to work within the system that exists and promote change from within.

[-] vexikron@lemmy.zip 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Specifically for antiwork:

Because they are either generally not very well informed or politically well versed and just know that work sucks,

Or they do not have very much free time to follow meta news about reddit and are unaware of what is going on,

Or they just have not heard of lemmy yet,

Or they have had some kind of technical trouble trying to sign up for or use lemmy in the way they would want to,

Or they are not very not very tech savvy and do not understand the FOSS benefits to a discussion board or why or how thats relevant to capitalism,

Or they are basically hypocrites who prefer an echo chamber that is comfortable to a somewhat less echo chambery option and are really just into the whole scene superficially and do not really actually care for having non contradictory and inconsistent views + personal actions/behaviors.

Lots of them probably fall into different categories and many probably fall into more than one.

[-] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

antiwork

they do not have very much free time

Doubt

they are not very tech savvy

Pretty sure they are terminally online

they are basically hypocrites who prefer an echo chamber that is comfortable to a somewhat less echo chambery option and are really just into the whole scene superficially and do not really actually care for having non contradictory and inconsistent views + personal actions/behaviors

Bingo!

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[-] moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

it could be from lemmy having a much larger circlejerk problem than reddit, likely due to the lower population, and/or less diverse population (in some cases enforced, lemmy.ml being the biggest case of this)

[-] Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 5 points 11 months ago

Some people drop-out whilst others infiltrate and take over…

[-] kreynen@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

They prefer a more polished UI? I know there are several mobile apps that improve on the default browser experience of visiting https://lemmy.world/, but you have to admit that the initial UX of Lemmy leaves room for improvement. This is the same reason many open-source projects gave up on IRC. The die-hard FOSS advocates raised the "but Slack isn't an open standard" argument only to be shouted down by a larger part of the community with "IRC's UX sucks and is a barrier to new contributors".

https://kbin.social/ has a lot of issues (like calling communities magazines and general performance/stability), but the UI/UX is so much better than Lemmy.

[-] pocketman_stuck@lemmy.eco.br 5 points 11 months ago

What? Lemmy UI is way better than redit's

[-] danhakimi@kbin.social 4 points 11 months ago

Meh. The mobile reddit apps and new reddit are truly trash. A lot of lemmy apps could still use work, especially kbin, and a lot of communities could use a cleaner UI, but ultimately, I think people are using Reddit due to inertia and positive network effects.

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[-] hperrin@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

No, people just don’t like change. All those fake internet points are hard to let go.

[-] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

The Fediverse unfortunately still has less reach.

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