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Hi! After reading opinions for a long time, I've realized that some episodes are quite controversial nowadays. For example, Star Trek: Voyager Season 4, Episode 17, "Retrospect," has been compared to the #MeToo movement, with some people criticizing how it "handles rape culture unevenly" (as one IMDb review puts it).

This got me thinking: What other things do you feel Star Trek make wrong?

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[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 73 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is the one that immediately comes to mind for me.

[–] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 43 points 4 days ago (3 children)
[–] okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 23 points 4 days ago

Bro rocked that uniform.

[–] Olgratin_Magmatoe@startrek.website 16 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

I definitely appreciated that they used that dress across gender boundaries. The dress itself isn't the problem, it's the fact that they didn't give them the choice.

[–] lime@feddit.nu 13 points 4 days ago

when worn with leggings it looked quite smart. they should have done that from the beginning.

[–] Coldcell@sh.itjust.works 11 points 4 days ago

Ah, the skant... you were taken away far too soon.

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 11 points 4 days ago

"That you could see what I had for breakfsat" wow...

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[–] Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

When being a "space military", Starfleet is shockingly bad at being a "space military".

Observe:

In the episode, Siege of AR-558, the Feds are defending a subspace relay behind cover, in an entrenched position with only one approach through a choke point and are getting the absolute SHIT kicked out of them. THIS IS A SOLVED PROBLEM. We solved it in the 19th century. The solution is a machine gun. Hell, put a specialized micro replicator that just makes bullets in place of the magazine and you essentially have an infinite ammo cheat.

In the episode A Fistful of Datas, Worf jury rigs a personal shield to deflect bullets. Awesome. Why is this not standard issue?

Why is the bridge, the nerve center of the ship, put on the top center of the saucer where it can be easily targeted and blown up?

Why does no one have pockets after the 22nd century?

[–] T156@lemmy.world 8 points 3 days ago

When being a "space military", Starfleet is shockingly bad at being a "space military".

In their defence, they explicitly say they are not space military. Everyone else just treats them as such. Just because they've got exploration cruisers armed like warships.

Why is the bridge, the nerve center of the ship, put on the top center of the saucer where it can be easily targeted and blown up?

It's not any more or less explodable than the rest of the ship. But we do see a good reason. The main screens on the bridge are physical on most ships. So if the master computer fails, they don't lose visibility completely.

Hell, put a specialized micro replicator that just makes bullets in place of the magazine and you essentially have an infinite ammo cheat.

Only if you can power it, and if you can afford to power a replicator, chances are, you can power a phaser enough to be useful, and they're far more versatile devices.

A regular gun using bullets is just a wasteful toy by comparison.

If anything, there's the question if why they didn't just run their phasers at wide beam, and deal with it that way.

In the episode A Fistful of Datas, Worf jury rigs a personal shield to deflect bullets. Awesome. Why is this not standard issue?

There's no good point. From memory, Worf has to dismantle his badge for it, and it doesn't last for very long.

Most people just don't go down where there are bullets flying, and most civilisations use energy weapons like laser cannons.

If bullets were more common, they probably would have them. Similar to why the Borg don't block bullets with their shields.

Why does no one have pockets after the 22nd century?

Why have pockets if you can have everyone look like they're in wetsuits? It's like why no-one has first aid kits, or emergency supplies on them. Who has time for sensibility if you can have the ✨Aesthetique✨?

[–] essell@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

On AR-558 they'd been run down and were running out. Any heavy weapons they brought had been damaged or expired.

They're not standard due to the lack of people firing bullets.

Because it's not easily targeted, I don't recall anyone deliberately targeting a bridge? Also there's much more tempting targets and the non-military advantages outweigh the military disadvantages. All the same arguments about why humans have their brains and eyes all up on display rather than burried behind a case of bones!

No idea about the pockets thing. Probably because they're not motivated by the acquisition of things they don't think about places to put their things?

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 10 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Why is this not standard issue?

The number of creative solutions that are devised and then forgotten are too numerous to count. Occasionally there will be a call back to the solution for the diehard fans but I feel like its rare.

I eventually remember that it is what it is. It's not a hard SciFi setting. The solution is often a bunch of science-sounding words and the deflector dish.

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[–] shittydwarf@piefed.ca 41 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Letting Rick Burman run rampant for years

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[–] Kernal64@sh.itjust.works 27 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Khan Noonien Singh has never been portrayed by an actor of the character's ethnicity, nor have any of his descendants.

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Life support. It's always hilarious to me when power going out to life support is treated as an instantly fatal threat. IIRC, if you actually do the calculation it's ridiculous. If you combine the interior volume of the Enterprise D with its crew count, you would find that the life support system could be offline for MONTHS before the oxygen levels started to substantially drop.

[–] Windex007@lemmy.world 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's unclear in my viewing EXACTLY what life support is doing.

It's clear that it has very refined monitoring of compounds present, filtering mechanics, and essentially arbitrary disbursement of reagents.

LaForge: "Computer: flood cargo bay 2 with [the most exotic deep-cut compound that ever was]"

Barret: "Consider it done, I've got tons of that shit fucking ready to go and dumping it exactly in the one room is no fucking problem whatsoever"

It was my head cannon that starship operation leaked a ton of not great stuff into the air constantly, and that ongoing room-by-room analysis was always happening and carefully measured filtering and counter-disbursements was just constant. "Make oxygen" was part of it, but wasn't by a large margin the whole of it.

This is based on nothing other than my feeling that the atmospheric management systems were way too extra.

[–] isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's true. If you assume it's a lot more than just the O2 supply, it makes more sense. Ok. I have a new fun headcanon.

So, here's the thing. We know the Federation has multiple species in it. Those species likely have different atmospheric requirements. Sure, we sometimes see crew members wearing breathing apparatus, like the Benzites. But I wonder if every species actually needs its own atmospheric mix? Maybe every species has its own ideal mixture of oxygen, nitrogen, CO2, etc.

That is a problem if everyone has to share the same atmosphere. But what if they didn't have to? Imagine if the life support system is generating little individual micro atmospheric pockets for every person onboard. Every crew member basically gets to breathe the atmospheric mix of their home planet. Using transporters, force fields, replicators, and good-old-fashioned fans, the ship generates little atmospheric bubbles around each crew member. And those bubbles move with them through the ship.

So would anyone need a breathing apparatus? It's possible those species just have very unique air requirements that go beyond the capabilities of the life support system to handle. For example, maybe the Benzites require a gas that is poisonous to some other species? You don't want to make big pockets of that floating around. You minimize the amount of it introduced to the ship by using personal breathing devices.

This would also explain why the system is capable of dispersing arbitrary compounds.

But the need for constant filtration is an interesting point as well. Though that seems like less of an immediately lethal threat than a long-term exposure thing.

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[–] jerakor@startrek.website 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The lack of racial diversity for the empires outside of the Federation makes it feel like somehow only the Federation ever figured out how to work with others. Even problematic caste style situations do not come up enough, let alone just simple variations of races.

The most "diverse" other empire is somehow the Dominion. We know the other empires have other races in them as well. It's such a Federation centric view of the universe and I feel that it reinforced my America centric mindset because the parallels seem so direct to me. We are diverse, everyone else is easily groupable into divided others. Only we are Free. Only we are willing to work together.

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure the most diverse empire in Star Trek is the Borg.

Even more than the federation.

[–] jerakor@startrek.website 2 points 3 days ago

Fair but depressing take. I'd say one of the critical parts of diversity in Star Trek is showing how different personalities and backgrounds working together can accomplish more. I just wish it sometimes worked against the Federation as well.

[–] Kirk@startrek.website 3 points 3 days ago

Discovery tried to show some Klingon diversity and a quarter of the fan base went into an absolute tantrum

[–] just2look@lemmy.zip 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I will preface this comment with I know the reasons why the show is like this, but still bugs me when I watch.

  1. The number of issues that could have been prevented by having some kind of protective suit are huge. Isolate from toxins, bacteria, viruses. It would have made for some very short episodes.

  2. Having any kind of idea about real security. Every visitor to the ship has almost free reign to go anywhere and do anything. The computer can be accessed by anyone. You can just wander onto the bridge. No lockouts in any equipment, including things that are critical to crew and ship survival.

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[–] it_depends_man@lemmy.world 20 points 4 days ago (3 children)

It would ruin the concept, so I get why they don't tackle the topic, but:

The federation, particularly humanity inside of the federation, is run by essentially a military government. There are elections, probably, we never really get to see them, and the decision making process of the admirals is not shown to the viewer, for world building and story telling reasons. The admirals are the problem posers, the calls to adventure, the exposition. "Go there, do this, top secret, very important, blah blah".

They don't do misuse them in lore, that much, but even the lesser capable space ships are enormously dangerous. If I recall correctly, there are even some mentions of not being regularly allowed to warp inside solar system boundaries. The risk of misuse or accidents is unimaginable. I'm pretty sure humanity has resigned itself to being ruled by some admiralty board that could order to vaporize the planet. They're not going to do that, but the implication is certainly... looming.


I also really don't like how they changed styles after the 80s/90s series. The perceived need to reinvent themselves has yielded mostly bad results. Only "Strange New Worlds" is tolerable, because it's well done, but it's still "too much" in my opinion. The special effects are nice, but there was no need to design corridors like that.

Same for uniforms. Look at how much "the suit" has changed since the 1870s. Barely at all.

[–] atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Neither humanity nor the Federation are run by a military government. I’m not even sure what gave you that impression. The federation, as its name suggests, is a federal system like the US, or the EU. Each planet retains its political structure while participating in the federation. Earth is the exception where it’s essentially the DC of the federation and is run directly by the federation council. Earth is also unique in being communistic rather than having a currency based economy like most other planets and the federation itself. Starfleet is a human organization that predates the creation of the federation and at that time was absorbed as its military arm. The president of the federation is the commander in chief of Starfleet. There is even a two parter in DS9 where an admiral tries to overthrow the president and fails and it is referred to as a “military coup”.

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[–] TrackenDaKracken@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago

1870s uniform

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[–] T156@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago

Change.

Star Trek seems to be allergic to any deviation from the status quo. Everything forward must be recognisable to the past, whereas reality is not like that. Everything has to look recognisable, and be recognisable, even when it doesn't make sense.

Everything has to have impulse, warp drive, for example, or engines that make it behave much the same. All the alien ships work like that, even centuries into the future, when that makes no sense at all. There has to be a Federation.

There's very rarely any sort of major lasting change that we see on-screen, and I think what Star Trek needs is that growth.


Star Trek's biology also tends to be infamously awful. It's always played fast and loose with it, arguably more so than a lot of the other scientific disciplines it covers.

Barclay's Cold Virus cure causing Worf to devolve into a precursor species, and several of the crew to evolve into hybrid creatures just because it altered the introns and exons. Doing that doesn't automatically turn you into something else, or else radiation would be far worse than it is.

Same for the Klingon redundant organs. It's still the same system, so the Klingon redundancies wouldn't do much good, unless they had something on their planet that meant they needed it, that isn't just being a fighter planet.

And it doesn't really address the physiological differences very well. A human and a Klingon hit the same, and have much of the same vulnerabilities. Worf has slight super-strength, but that's about it.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Flirting. Everyone who flirts (especially on TNG) sounds like an LMM trained on HR handouts.

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[–] neidu4@piefed.social 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] cuchi@startrek.website 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I personally like first season of TNG, people usually overhate the two first season of TNG.

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 3 days ago

It may be their worst season, but it is still far from awful.

What I don't get is people recommending skipping the first season to new watchers. Like, they don't understand that especially the first episode is crucial in character introductions. Without it you have no idea who Q or any of the characters are.

[–] jpreston1986@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

the outfits were spicy and so were the missions

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[–] supersquirrel@lemmy.ca 18 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (5 children)

edit I misread, these are minor things. My actual answer is Star Trek has never put enough women in decision making positions in the creation of Star Trek and all of Star Trek's success is despite that.

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  1. Bicycles, where the fuck are all the bicycles? The last transportation anyone would choose to use when we could teleport everywhere would be bicycles because they are pleasant af, they are also super useful for exploring planets. I get filming people on bicycles "doesn't look cool" but it annoys me. Also put all the power density of spaceships into an electric bicycle? It would go for years and years and years on a charge...

  2. Where are all the dogs? For the humans but also space dogs should probably be far more common, do you really think humans are alone in domesticating dogs to get an edge?

  3. Spaceships would have lots of board games on them and people would be obsessed with them, far more than the holodecks necessarily. Star Trek sort of does this with the poker table meetups that happen in TNG.

  4. Spaceships, especially long haul ones, would ALL unless they were purely military ships have a garden/park section in them where real native plants were grown from the aliens homeplanet. This would be necessary for mental health as a place crew could go.

  5. Teleporting is too easy without enough costs, so storytelling always has to justify itself around not being able to use teleporting to solve the issue.

[–] Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 3 days ago

I'm sorry, but you need infrastructure or at least somewhat flat ground or you won't get far on a bike. You would have to carry it over rocks and other terrain. It would slow you down more than it would help.

No, I see more future in heelies than bikes when exploring undeveloped planets.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Seven of Nine was generally poorly handled. From the problems of the "Born Sexy Yesterday" trope, to the male crew members hitting on her. To her costume, and the various bad mothering choices of Janway. To the face that she was so beautified.

I would have preferred her to remain grotesquely Borg for a couple of seasons and slowly be rehabilitated.

[–] crowcore_explorer@piefed.blahaj.zone 12 points 4 days ago (2 children)

not sure if this has been discussed by the actresses or anyone familiar with the behind scenes situation, but what was with casting a chinese-american and korean-american as japanese women? given the how the imperial aspirations of japan had such a brutalizing affect on those nations, i still find this culturally tone deaf. why did the characters have to be japanese?

referring, of course to keiko o'brien and hoshi sato.

[–] cuchi@startrek.website 12 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I get it, but also Patrick Stewart was not a french man.

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[–] Akuchimoya@startrek.website 4 points 3 days ago

I think it's safe to say the people in charge appreciated the idea of diversity but had no actual clue. Harry Kim was supposedly Chinese, till Garret Wang told them Kim is Korean surname.

[–] QueenMidna@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Booker.

Why have Starfleet rules when you just have a dude on your ship that you can call on that just shits on the rules.

And it's not Mariner-style twisting or bending the rules it's just complete skirting of them

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[–] j_elgato@leminal.space 4 points 3 days ago

Irish stereotypes. From Finnigan in TOS all the way to "Up The Long Ladder" in TNG... It hasn't been great.

Code of Honor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_of_Honor_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)) had some issues and wasn't consistent with Roddenberry's concept of the Star Trek universe.

[–] _stranger_@lemmy.world 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

All...of Chakotay. Yes, I know that con artist got hired to give them tips but jeez, I'd change that if I could.

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