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[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

The title is "Come, Let's Away", presumably from King Lear Act V, Scene III.

No, no, no, no! Come, let's away to prison:

We two alone will sing like birds i' the cage:

When thou dost ask me blessing, I'll kneel down,

And ask of thee forgiveness: so we'll live,

And pray, and sing, and tell old tales, and laugh

At gilded butterflies, and hear poor rogues

Talk of court news; and we'll talk with them too,

Who loses and who wins; who's in, who's out;

And take upon's the mystery of things,

As if we were God's spies: and we'll wear out,

In a wall'd prison, packs and sects of great ones,

That ebb and flow by the moon.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 3 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

So you're just advocating for a different system of policing, which does not at all contradict what I originally said. Cool.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

During the cadets’ first training mission on an abandoned ship, they encounter a dangerous new enemy. As our cadets fight for survival, Nahla must risk everything to save them by seeking help from an unexpected, untrustworthy, source.

I was just thinking that it's about time we returned to the Nus Braka plot, so we'll see if he's the "unexpected, untrustworthy, source."

It looks like we might get to see more of the War College kids, which I think is a good thing.

Any thoughts about the abandoned ship that they're visiting?

Nahla Ake addressing cadets in front of a window. Outside, you can see a derelict Starfleet ship.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

The best nostalgia is nostalgia for something that never existed in the first place.

or put him next to Tom Paris or Kassidy Yates in a Penal Colony with an ankle monitor.

Unfortunately, Earth was still independent at that time, so New Zealand is out of the question.

Bring us...Space New Zealand!

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, someone summed it up very well elsewhere in the thread: "utopia" describes an ideal to strive toward, but is inherently unachievable, if only because you will never find two people who have the same utopic vision.

Unless "utopia" includes some sort of system for forcing everyone to think alike... 🤔

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 8 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

If you can offer a compelling argument about how those other 98% were more fair and just, and can outline exactly what that better system was, I'm all ears.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

It's an interesting idea, but it also tiptoes right up to the line of "neighbours spying on each other on behalf of the state" - not great!

There's a difference between a trial and a sentencing.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 10 points 11 hours ago (10 children)

I certainly am not a fan of policework as it is currently, commonly conducted, but I have a hard time imagining a society that has laws, but doesn't have a dedicated system to uphold those laws that involves some kind of police.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 27 points 12 hours ago (16 children)

I think it's extremely disingenuous to equate "bad things happening sometimes" with "dystopia."

The point of everything you mentioned (except for the police in '09, which you don't actually seem to have an issue with aside from the fact that they exist?) is that these things can be overcome, which is precisely the opposite of a dystopian setting.

Yeah, personally I prefer the best available version of the original footage.

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