theparadox

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[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'm not in favor of this bleak future. I don't know why we can't just buy well-made things and fix them ourselves when they are broken. Rather, I know why but I don't know why we allow it to be this way.

I'm just feeling dark and my only hope is that people see my bleak predictions for the future and act now to stop it.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

You simply don't need a high end PC for gaming anymore.

You mean older gaming PCs can still run most games. I'm sure there will be holdouts and I'm sure lots of smaller, crunchy indie games will run just fine.

Unfortunately, computers are built from common sets of parts. If RAM, SSDs, HDDs, and GPU costs are doubling, then those who can only afford a low or mid-range PC suddenly... can't. So the consumer market collapses. Nobody will bother making replacement parts for your old gaming PC, and when it comes to new there will be only expensive PCs, ludicrously expensive gaming PCs, and the real goal - thin clients. The Chromebook has already become the default consumer PC. They're just coming for a different segment now.

More accurately, they don't fucking care and just want more money. Right now, they're betting on AI but when that bubble bursts, cloud "PCs" is what they'll fall back on since all the hardware and, therefore, all the compute will have moved to the cloud and the market for old-style personal computers will have been blown to shit. Recurrent user spending is reliable and makes investors happy. SAS all the things.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Gaming PC's are dead at these prices

That's the plan. You'll subscribe to your cloud gaming service and you'll fucking like it you disgusting peasant. Own nothing, rent everything.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago (4 children)

I empathize with some of the thinking, but I don't necessarily agree with it. To keep it simple, imagine how many different world powers are working to sabotage openly Socialist and Communist governments. What kinds of tools and resources might these world powers have at their disposal? I can't imagine being part of a disfavored leftist government and not becoming haggard and paranoid beyond reason.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 27 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Honestly, it's hard to believe. Since I started paying attention to politics I've been progressively more and more disgusted by what many other Americans are willing to accept and even champion. Clearly, people have to see what is happening and object to it!? Nope.

Trump absolutely slammed the accelerator on this disgust. Every goddamn, motherfucking week that has gone by, there has been some crazy fucking bullshit that nudges some absurdly resilient speck of my brain matter and makes me think "Alright, seriously, this has to be the breaking point. People will finally start to abandon the GOP en masse..." but it's a delusion. It doesn't happen. I don't know how the speck has somehow not become completely desensitized to it.

The fascists have finally built something capable of sustaining the falsehoods. The opposition is happy to make bank campaigning as the opposition party. Enough judges are willing to side with the powerful, with utter fucking disregard for precedent or the law. The media and the universities are afraid to challenge them. The influencers know they can get paid by billionaires to feed their garbage to the masses, and the masses will thank them and tip them for their grifts. Technology can mass produce convincing enough slop that nothing is real - it takes infinitely more effort to refute it than it does to create it. Anything real can just as easily be accused of being slop - it takes infinitely more effort to prove its truth than to accuse.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I'm afraid the best I can give you is a proprietary, always online, underpowered, half-assed piece of spyware that will probably end up costing you a yearly subscription fee if you don't want advertisements and get a mandatory, irreversible AI integration over-the-air upgrade 1 month after you buy it.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Our modern capitalists will brainwash, manipulate, coerce, and otherwise force the population to do whatever makes them more fucking money. The environment, animals, or other humans only matter if it upsets another capitalist with the means to enforce some kind of consequence.

We may be fundamentally good, but I'm beginning to think we're too collectively stupid and too easily influenced by those among us who are selfish. It's just too easy to spread lies and too hard to correct them. Every mechanism we have created to combat this has been partially or completely captured and are now twisted into reinforcing the lies instead of challenging them. Technology, news outlets, research/think-tanks, schools, pretty much the entire Internet.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

It's cumbersome to do so and it turns itself back on with every update.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Seriously. We're also causing mass extinction of species alive right now with our activity... and we refuse to change anything because it's inconvenient.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I remember it was a common prank in my office, for coworkers that didn't lock their workstations, to set their homepage to hampster-dance.

At a LAN party we once messed with a friend's desktop background. He had a picture of himself and a girlfriend in what I assume was his dorm room as his background. We wanted to take the poster in the background and photoshop it to something funny. Someone had a bizarre picture of a bunch of dudes in Ninja Turtle masks. One of them was holding some chick in a skirt upside down and I think holding a fist against her panties. That photo was so bizarre it sticks in my mind.

I have no idea if he ever realized it. I felt bad afterward when I found out he was MIA at the LAN Party because of an unpleasant medical issue...

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Just another layer - the button did nothing to begin with.

[–] theparadox@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

While I do want the logs accessible, I don't know if I want it all on display.

Ever like, dig through Windows or Proton logs? Plain text files measurable in megabytes within seconds.

 

Hello folks. I've been using Linux for gaming on and off for over a year but I'm getting frustrated. I'm not completely new to Linux outside of gaming, but I'm no master or expert obviously. The two games I play the most are having frustrating issues and I can't figure out what is happening. I'm hoping someone has some ideas for additional troubleshooting or, if I'm lucky, ideas for a solution. My searching has only found people complaining of more normal, consistent issues like crashing or low FPS vs Windows or just low FPS from the start. Edit: This includes Proton DB. I even have my own experience on there.

Also, I don't really have anything beyond Steam and a number of games via Steam installed. This computer is for gaming and that's it.

Does anyone have an recommendations? After months of this I'm frankly thinking of getting a 9070 XT or something to see if that resolves the issue but that's a last resort.

Thanks!

TLDR: Forcing Proton 9.0-4 is the only solution I've found.

Hardware

Hardware
MB: ASUS B650M-PLUS WF
Processors: 16 × AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: NOCTUA NH-D15S
Case: LIANLI A3-MATX
Additional Cooling: be quiet! Silent Wings 4 120mm (x2, Top & Rear Exhaust)
PSU: LIANLI SP850
Storage (Linux): SANDISK 2TB WD BLACK SN850X
Storage (Windows): ADATA 1TB SX8200PNP
Memory: G.SKILL 64G 2X D5 6000 C30 FX B ("EXPO I" Enabled - Running at 6000 as per MB)
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 SUPER (ZOTAC RTX4080S AMP)

Space Marine - Problem 1

I'm typically running at Ultra 1440p Borderless (No Ray Tracing or Framegen) DLSS "Quality" (1.5x Lower Res with Upscaling) with an FPS cap at 120Hz. I get steady performance loss over time, as if the system is throttling but logging shows temperature (and GPU/CPU load) decreasing over time. I've tried Native (1440p), a number of DLSS settings, Borderless and Full Screen, lowered detail levels, etc. Nothing I've done changes the behavior - GPU load always falls over time and performance tanks until I can't take it anymore and restart the game.

Ex. DLSS "Quality" starts at ~120 FPS, 96% GPU Load
At 60 minutes, ~65 FPS, ~55% GPU Load
At 2+ hours, ~42 FPS and ~38% GPU Load, GPU Core Clock even drops 200+MHz

On Windows 10 I've gone 2+ hours at a steady 120 FPS with the same settings. I originally started with Bazzite but out of frustration I figured I'd try openSUSE Tumbleweed, hoping it was some bizarre Bazzite quirk. After some brief testing, I experience the same issue. Normally I use whatever version of Proton Steam suggests, but I've tried manually selecting Proton Experimental and 10.2 beta with no change in behavior. I've always used NVIDIA drivers rather than nouveau, but I honestly don't know how to try older NVIDIA drivers.

The earlier pages are from August while using Bazzite (BZ). The last few are on Tumbleweed (TW). Usually, I literally start the game, load the "hub", and let it idle until it kicked me for inactivity 60 minutes later. One log has some actual gameplay + idle to document see how bad it gets after 2+ hours. More recent logs are from different version of Proton, as described above, left idle until I came back and could definitively see a downward trend.
Data & Graphs

A few of my graphs. Click the link above for more. FPS drops over time, ~1 per minute. GPU/CPU load drops over time. Temperature is stable then drops when GPU/CPU loads start getting lower. VRAM/RAM is stable. GPU/CPU frequency is stable. SSD Temps don't seem to exceed 55 C. No reason I can find for it to throttle.

Native (Idle):





DLSS Quality (Idle):





DLSS Quality (Gameplay, then Idle):





Note - the behavior isn't new in August, I'd just started playing multiplayer more with friends in June. I wanted to focus on just using my Linux partition exclusively and being that annoying friend who talks about how great gaming on Linux is. I assumed it was an issue assets not getting unloaded or something and figured it would be fixed in a patch. By August I'd gotten tired of the weird behavior to start really investigating it, installed MangoHud, etc. After my complaining, my friends are decidedly LESS interested in gaming on Linux. I'm only fueled by my hatred of Windows 11 and spite.

Satisfactory - Problem 2

I haven't tested openSUSE yet so this is more of a Bonus issue. I'll update if continue to experience it on this distro. It isn't as detrimental but its still frustrating because I don't know how to even document it. At inconsistent intervals, maybe 45-90 minutes, the game hangs for an extended period of time. Alt-tab away and everything is fine with the rest of the system, desktop interface is 100% responsive. If I alt-tab back to the game, it remains hung. Eventually, ~20-40 seconds after it freezes, everything is back to normal until the next random interval when it happens again. Time also doesn't pass in game - if I was mid air, I resume mid air.

Now what is absolutely fascinating to me about this problem is that it is invisible in my mangohud logs. It's like time stands still until the game resumes. Zero dips, spikes, elapsed time gaps, or anything I'd expect just before it starts or after it recovers. I haven't figured out a way to include the system time in the log to get records of how long it lasts. If you know how to get that in the log please let me know.

Edits

Graphs below for a low-quality run (DLSS Performance & Quality Preset Low) on Tumbleweed. GPU/CPU load starts lower, degrades more or less the same.

DLSS Performance, Low Quality Preset (Idle, Gameplay, Idle):




I've tested my SSD temperature via watch -n 1 nvme smart-log /dev/nvme0 - I've not see it above 125° F (<55° C). I have 600GB free on / and 1.2TB free on /home, and I have swap large enough for sleep. I did not run it during gaming yet, but swapon shows:

NAME           TYPE       SIZE USED PRIO
/dev/nvme0n1p3 partition 66.5G   0B   -2

I've run nvidia-smi -q -d PERFORMANCE (while GPU load was down to ~70%) by switching to a cmdline and running it plus recording every second nvidia-smi -q -l 1 -f smi.log -d PERFORMANCE with the game running in the foreground. More or less the same. Sometimes if I've not had the focus on the game window for a while Idle will be Active.

> nvidia-smi -q -d PERFORMANCE

==============NVSMI LOG==============

Timestamp                                 : Tue Sep 23 07:06:07 2025
Driver Version                            : 580.82.07
CUDA Version                              : 13.0

Attached GPUs                             : 1
GPU 00000000:01:00.0
    Performance State                     : P0
    Clocks Event Reasons
        Idle                              : Not Active
        Applications Clocks Setting       : Not Active
        SW Power Cap                      : Not Active
        HW Slowdown                       : Not Active
            HW Thermal Slowdown           : Not Active
            HW Power Brake Slowdown       : Not Active
        Sync Boost                        : Not Active
        SW Thermal Slowdown               : Not Active
        Display Clock Setting             : Not Active
    Clocks Event Reasons Counters
        SW Power Capping                  : 1160456 us
        Sync Boost                        : 0 us
        SW Thermal Slowdown               : 0 us
        HW Thermal Slowdown               : 0 us
        HW Power Braking                  : 0 us
    Sparse Operation Mode                 : N/A

Spent almost 2 hours playing SM2 on Windows 10. FPS stayed ~120 pretty consistently with typical occasional dips, often during loading screens and such. Graphs below.
Windows 10 - Gameplay then brief idle:

Left the game idle for 20 minutes after installing NVIDIA X Server Settings and setting Prefer Maximum Performance as the preferred mode. Same degrading performance. Using alt-tab to switch to desktop doesn't restore or reset performance, nor does running vulkaninfo.

It was suggested I test for stability with OCCT. I did find that with hour long combined Extreme/Steady CPU+RAM/GPU tests would inconsistently register errors with CPU cores. Looking into that, I saw that overclocking might be the cause so I turned off the ASUS motherboard's "AI Tweaker" setting of "Expo I" (use timings from EXPO memory modules) and set it to automatic. A few hour long Extreme/Steady CPU+RAM/GPU on both Windows and Linux no longer generated errors. Unfortunately, leaving EXPO off did not seem to impact/resolve my issue. The same behavior persisted for another two sessions of gaming without EXPO.

Solution

Incredibly stupid. I didn't realize that, whether it was something I personally set a while ago and that is tied to my account (because this is my third distro) or whether it is Steam's default, the "Default Compatibility Tool" was set to Proton Experimental. I'd assumed Steam would use the latest stable release, and so I'd manually set SM2 to use Experimental, Hotfix, the 10.2beta, or unchecked the option to force a specific version... I'd never forced 9.0-4. When I discovered there was a Proton logging option, I found that the log showed me using Experimental so I looked around and discovered my default was experimental. I set the default to 9.0-4 and the issue no longer occurred. I went back, set the default to experimental and set SM2 to specifically use Proton 9.0-4. I'll confirm whether or not this resolves the issue.

Confirmed. It seems to be an issue with Proton 10+? As long as I force Proton 9.0-4, the issue does not occur.

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