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Somehow this comic made neopronouns make sense to me.
Like I always abided but I never really understood until this punk ass motherfucker kicked through the door and said "Fuck your bullshit, I'm doing what I want."
My brain always went towards the why and so this helped me stop thinking and just realize hey that's how they feel best represented and makes them feel good, power to them. Sometimes it ain't all that deep.
I remember typing random combinations of letters and numbers into the hex color field on my marquee span text on my Geocities site when i was a kid and marveling at how it always seemed to yield a different result.
Anyway, as an edgelord 8 year old with unsupervised access to the internet I discovered that my hexcode is #DEATH or some shit like that, I honestly don't remember what it was but I was fascinated with the color it produced at the time.
It goes against the spirit of the post, but there was a very detailed system for converting invalid colors to valid ones!
If it exactly matches a recognized named color, use that color.
If it is a valid three-digit legacy hex form such as #abc, expand each digit:
Replace non-BMP characters with 00.
Truncate the value to 128 characters.
Remove a leading #, if present.
Replace every character that is not an ASCII hex digit with 0.
Append 0s until the length is a multiple of three.
Split the result into three equal components for red, green, and blue.
If each component is longer than eight characters, keep only its last eight characters.
Remove leading zeroes from all three components while they remain longer than two characters.
If they are still longer than two characters, truncate each to two characters.
Interpret the three components as hexadecimal numbers and use them as RGB values.
Gendered pronouns are dumb, and by extention so are neopronounts. Language is about mutual intelligibility so making a new nondescriptive word for every possible form of gender identity is an exercise in futility. I'm so glad I live somewhere where gendered pronouns aren't a thing. English should just switch to they/them for everyone and be done with it.
While gender-neutral languages are awesome, the fact that we are speaking a gendered language means we are often communicating gender. Having to communicate gender is the cost of speaking English.
If you refuse to use a trans person's neopronouns, you will be intelligible as denying their gender. If you internally respect them, but externally misgender them or complain about their pronouns, then your internal intentions are unintelligible. Language is a two-way street. You have a responsibility to make yourself understood, by using the pronouns that match your intentions.
Also, consider that a neopronoun may be perfectly intelligible to everyone as-is. You certainly understand the meaning of Legend's hex code, #LEG3ND, right? It's intelligible. When it comes to neopronouns like Legend's, I think you may be mistaken.; this might not be about intelligibility. In Legend's case, at least, you understand neopronouns perfectly well. You simply disagree.
English has a gender neutral third person singular pronoun. Calling someone a they/them isn't denying their gender. There is no reason not to use they/them. Gender isn't built into the language like it is in some even weirder languages (A chair doesn't have a gender in English).
I understand it perfectly well, but yes, I do disagree. Not about their gender identity, but about how pronouns work. The way I see it, the whole point with pronouns is to use a widely applicable shorthand to refer to something or someone. If everyone wants to be unique and have their own pronouns, then we might as well not use any pronouns and just refer to everybody by their name.
Edit: Oh yeah and as gendered pronouns are an attempt to communicate gender, then no, I have very little idea what sort of gender the pronoun "legend" is supposed to communicate. I understand the word but not what it means in this context.
When you have the choice to do something, and you don't do that thing, you're communicating that you don't want to do that thing.
When you have the choice to gender someone correctly, and you don't gender them, you're communicating that you don't want to gender them.
This is called de-gendering and many people will take your willful refusal to do the kind thing as a form of relative cruelty. Because kindness and cruelty are relative.
Also pronouns are usually shorter than names, so using neopronouns saves time over names.
I am bad at remembering names. Remembering a set of pronouns is at least as hard as remembering a name. Pronouns help when I can’t remember names. Having to remember custom pronouns defeats the purpose of pronouns.
All that being said, I’ve never met someone IRL who hasn’t picked one of the three most common pronouns sets (he, her, or they), so I see this as largely hypothetical. The internet does tend to be a space for people to test their more extreme beliefs.
Well, no. In the context of gendered pronouns being available and the norm of the language, intentionally using they/them instead of someone's identified pronouns is a disrespect. You are not bending the whole of the most widely-spoken language on Earth by yourself and even if you could, starting with the effective erasure of minority gender identity would be terrible form.
You are not bending the whole of the most widely-spoken language on Earth by yourself
Are you of the belief that singular "they" is not historically common?
It is historically common. We're talking about using they/them when pronouns other than they/them are requested.
Right, but as I understand it you made a claim that using they/them as a singular gender neutral pronoun was bending the language, which isn't correct. Unless you meant something else?
I was saying was that insisting on using they/them pronouns on someone who has requested otherwise would be a disrespect. The "bending the language" I referred to was in overwriting all preferred alternative pronouns with they/them, as the commentor was proposing doing that.
Oh, I see.
Gurann Lagan reboot is looking hella tight
My drill is the drill that will pierce the heavens! ✊
Do people outside the U.S. really do pronoun circles? I’m trying to understand what the point of them is.
When you are talking to people the pronouns are always you/yours. When talking about people…. Well don’t talk about people if you don’t know them.
in the little place in europe i live in, it is very common for political and queer groups as part of name rounds. the reason for it is the same as for the name round: so you know how to refer to the people in the round.
it's not just done the first time but at the start of every meeting, so people got a nice chance to update everyone smoothly about name or pronoun changes without having to like do some big comming out. it's really nice
it's not common outside those spaces but mainly cause it's a more new thing and society is really cis binary normative so most people just expect to be able to guess everyones pronouns correctly (they are not)
I’ve never encountered such a thing in the US. Closest might be name tags with space for pronouns on them.
I'm in the US and I've never encountered this. Some people put them in their email signatures which is fine and has actually been useful a couple times with names that were unclear to me. Mostly we're just trying to get the meeting over as fast as possible so we can get back to doing actual work. If someone did do this I'd never show up to their meeting on time again, same as I do for people I know are doing icebreakers.
Some people put them in their email signatures which is fine and has actually been useful a couple times with names that were unclear to me.
This is me. I'm a cis man, he/him, but I have a gender neutral name. For some reason everyone in email has always assumed that I'm a woman. So when pronoun discourse started being more common, I was like great, awesome, and started putting he/him in my email signature. Solved that problem. Now everyone thinks I'm a trans man, because "why would a cis person put pronouns in their email signature?" Progress!!
Actually, My second person pronouns are You/Yours, with a capital letter.
Yes, officer! That’s Yours, over there! You’s the one that did! You was all by Yourself in that corner!
That's... Not how second person works, grammatically speaking. "Officer" would be the addressee, so you should be using third person pronouns to refer to "the one that did"
Also, to answer your question, people do use pronoun circles. Every adult should be experienced enough to change their perception of other people's gender at will, so pronoun circles are a chance to make sure you're perceiving other people correctly.
Isn’t it an incredibly hostile experience, a bunch of strangers looking at you, expecting you to perform your pronoun dance for them?
It doesn’t seem… welcoming.
Maybe I’m way off base here, but every version I can imagine seems like true nightmare fuel, at least to my introverted ass.
This comic is deliberately emphasising the bad parts of pronouns circles as an example of what not to do. You're not supposed to interrogate people or debate with them about their pronouns. Decent people don't act that way.
But there are problems with them that trans people have pointed out. Like, if you're closeted, then you have to choose between outing or misgendering yourself. That's what's happening to Blue, who's not ready to come out yet.
We don't necessarily have a great solution for that one. The best we can do is make it optional to give your pronouns. But then closeted people who don't give their pronouns can be perceived as transphobic chuds.
It's just introducing yourself... Like, it's as simple as "Hey, I'm Squirrelanna and I go by she/her or it/its. Both equally fine. Nice to be here," and moving on. I'm an introvert to and it's really not anymore hostile than the essential concept of standing up and identifying yourself.
usually its a social situation where a bunch of strangers are interacting for the first time so most people dont know each other yet. you give your name, you give your pronouns, maybe you say another thing about yourself prompted by whoever organized the event. its a way to introduce everyone quickly and it happens in a lot of different situations. but yeah its kind of uncomfortable if youre introverted or have social anxiety.
My hex color is #b0bca7, it's mostly greyscale but nooooot quite. Also it's spicey and nerdy and fun.
It's a nice color <3
Speaking of hex, reminds me of this one cryptobro, forgot his name, who was on Twitter (as they often are). Had a user name. And in the real name field, "0xusername". 🤦🏻♀️ That's not how crypto addresses work, that's definitely not how hexadecimals work.
I'm #975BAD because if you accidentally place a long distance phone call to Bhutan (country code 975), you will then get a phone bill so BAD that this is the color your face will turn when you see it :3
And it's purple. A lovely shade of purple that always felt just right to me <3
I understand this is an allegory for pronouns/gender but I'm also dumb, is green supposed to be nonbinary? or are they being encouraged to use neopronouns they don't actually want? Pls dumb down for me
Green is binary trans and is being told to use they/she instead of she/her because the cis people don't actually accept her as a woman. Legend is nonbinary and uses neopronouns.
I think #00FF00 is one of the few primary hexcodes you can encode in a JPEG with the YCbCr (default) colorspace because it lines up with a corner of it. I tried perfect red and blue but there are rounding errors. Higher bit depth or different gamut might help
I am really enjoying these, thank you.