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Brain-based management is getting too exhausting, and isn't even fully possible with a larger quantity of online accounts.

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[–] crandall@lemmy.today 69 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] BlueOysterCultist@lemmy.zip 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

To further this, if you actually move over to any password manager please regenerate all of your duplicate passwords with something 20+ characters. It’s almost pointless to have a PW Manager if you’re using the same weak password everywhere.

Make a new strong password for your master password too; I’d recommend a phrase of four moderately long words like “BattleshipMonitorPaintingPrinter” and perhaps a little postit note doodle drawing to remember it until it’s hammered home.

Alternatively, writing down the master password somewhere secure, like in a safe, would also be good if you have to pass on important accounts to descendants.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's my reason for wanting to switch to a password manager. Everything gets some long random string that would be insane to type anyway. Or using passkeys, if supported, though I'll have to research how that works.

My biggest problem is backups. I like the method of Aegis authenticator. It just stores some number of past (encrypted) databases. Each change is a new file. This way rsync takes care of both backups and version control. If I accidentally rsync a corrupted file, it doesn't matter much. And I can verify them with Rhash, just like all files that don't change (like photos).

[–] AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I'm fairly sure you can self host Bitwarden, so it might be possible to have backups in a similar way

I think Vaultwarden is the self-hosted version

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[–] hexagonwin@lemmy.today 26 points 3 weeks ago
[–] brewery@feddit.uk 19 points 3 weeks ago

Vaultwarden - self hosted bitwarden server that any bitwarden clients can connect to.

[–] DarkSirrush@piefed.ca 18 points 3 weeks ago

Keepassxc/keepassdx, synced with syncthings/basicsync.

Using a headscale/tailscale setup so things stay synced even when i am not home.

[–] Son_of_Macha@lemmy.cafe 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
[–] poccalyps@sh.itjust.works 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

BitWarden and a self hosted VaultWarden

[–] Schlemmy@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Fun part of that sollution is that you only need one app.

[–] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You also need a secondary service on your server if you want to keep them in sync.

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[–] Ordoviz@lemmy.ml 12 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

pass: the standard unix password manager for tech-savvy people. It's dead simple: just a directory of GPG-encrypted files that you can sync across devices using git or other means. It has a CLI interface, an Android app, and a Firefox extension.

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[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

A few years ago I set up KeepassXC using Syncthing temporarily to sync the database across all my devices. I fully expected to have to move to Nextcloud for database file management.

The KeepassXC / Syncthing combination has worked so well that I have no reason to change it. The databases are seamlessly synced across all devices (including my phone) without requiring any attention from me. Database issues due to multiple device use are almost nonexistent.

One note: For me Syncthing works much better with multiple devices using a star topology. When I initially set up a mesh configuration I had regular file sync issues. With a star topology they are very rare.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

What do you use on a phone?

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

Syncthing-fork from Fdroid.

There were some repository ownership questions a few months back that were ironed out. In addition, Fdroid vets apps far better than Google ever has so I'm comfortable with the app's security.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh, sorry, I meant the password manager. There's multiple KDBX compatible apps.

[–] spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

KeePass2Android. Recommended by KeypassXC.

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[–] trailee@sh.itjust.works 9 points 3 weeks ago

1Password family account with spouse, kids, and my parents. Vault management, ease of sharing, and remote management for my parents is nice, along with multiplatform for everything important, and the price feels quite reasonable at $1/user/month. No major security incidents ever, and I was pleased by their core service design whitepaper that I read many years ago. But as they’ve become increasingly corporate over the past several years I’ve felt like they care less and less about individual users, and the CEO’s recent pledge to Omarchy really pissed me off. So it’s been a great service for me but I don’t recommend it for new users unless they like nazis. I pay for a year at a time so I haven’t scrambled to migrate my family to a new solution quickly, but it sounds like Vaultwarden is most likely the way to go next.

[–] adamantkestrel@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Seconding Bitwarden, have been with it since my previous one (Lastpass? I forget, it was red) moved most of the good functionality behind a paywall many years ago. 11/10 I usually pay for the subscription, I like their product and want them to have a little walkin' around money. But currently on the free tier which is perfectly fine (2 devices when I used pro for 3, but I hardly use my laptop.

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[–] Bugamn@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago
[–] zxqwas@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Remember the password to my email. Create account on site. Log in and remain logged in. When eventually logged out click forgot password. Log into email and click reset link.

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[–] bertlewirth@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)
[–] Asafum@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I'm an old man yelling at clouds but I don't trust any of the password storing technologies. I have a system of making/writing passwords and a save a short form of them on my pc. Without knowing a specific segment you'd never be able to guess what they were so the segment is the only thing I need to remember. Having to access accounts when not at home is a massive pain in the ass though lol

[–] andrewta@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Basically the same. But not stored in a computer

[–] tyler@programming.dev 5 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago

Firefox remembers my passwords. For other things, text documents stored in a Veracrypt container

[–] ieightpi@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Idk if this is the right choice but I write them down on a piece of paper and store that paper in my locked fireproof safe.

[–] bananabread@lemmy.zip 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not very user friendly, but not wrong either

[–] HomeOnEarth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Definitely the most secure!

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[–] orenj@leminal.space 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Mostly i get by by not telling others how or where I keep my passwords

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 weeks ago

1Password, but planning to move to VaultWarden.

[–] PeteWheeler@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Proton Pass for me since I use their VPN.

Vaultwarden for selfhosting.

[–] ExtraJudgement@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

With gnupg, git, and a hardware security token. Also known as "pass".

[–] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

Same one on every site. But don’t worry it’s 10 characters instead of 8. And I tossed a bang at the end to throw off attackers.

[–] northernlights@lemmy.today 3 points 3 weeks ago

Self hosted vaultwarden

[–] chunes@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

nice try hax0r

[–] TryingToBeGood@reddthat.com 3 points 3 weeks ago

Piece of paper.

[–] alecsargent@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago

I moved away from Bitwarden because they removing values from their motto and some other shady stuff. I chose to go with AliasVault, it has a pretty nice alias email feature.

[–] whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago
[–] neidu4@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I stick to brain based. I have a system that makes it easy for me to remember which password is for where. Step one is to use passphrases instead of password. Obligatory reference: xkcd correct horse battery staple

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

I have a notebook and an app called Password Generator from f-droid

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

I use online bitwarden for unimportant accounts and offline keepassxc for important ones.

[–] fleem@piefed.zeromedia.vip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Vaultwarden

[–] eggpl4nt@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

My dumbass reading through these comments: "keep ass... ehehehehe"

[–] compuglobalhypermeganet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

A bit of a tangent but these are the right people to ask... What do you think when a site or app says that your password is too long?

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I think the site stores my password in its original form, without hashing. its way too common, even at high profile services like banks, university or government systems.

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