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[–] SaltSong@startrek.website 87 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm pretty sure that if he publicly says he's going to disobey orders, that's grounds for removal, even under a sane president. (Although a sane president might not choose to remove him)

[–] halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 38 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

This is almost certainly why he won't answer the question either way. If he says that he wouldn't, Trump would just fire him and replace him with someone that says they would privately, away from any public scrutiny at all.

It would be a net negative for everyone other than fascists.

[–] puppinstuff@lemmy.ca 16 points 3 weeks ago

It’s a pointless question. If he answers no truthfully he gets fired. If he lies and says ‘yes’ to keep his job we get undue anxiety when there already enough of that going around from memes and trade wars.

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[–] grte@lemmy.ca 69 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Have they said no to any of the USA's other illegal invasions? Don't count on the bravery of Americans who tell you they would resist. Count on drones.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 18 points 3 weeks ago

The military doesn't promote officers for refusing orders.

[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 49 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

If the USA invades, the white house gets burned down again and Trump gets ICC arrested.

[–] codydodd@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (22 children)

Jokes aside its quite possible. Ukrainian partnerships with canada on domestic drone production, the US would burn perpetually if they dared. They are projecting a weak canada to save face, but they dare not mistaken canadian politeness for weakness. There is a reason Trump says we are the hardest do deal with of any country. Because we are done putting up with their shit. To be Canadian means to not be Amerikkkan.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The US is the only country to have used nukes in war

[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Remember the wildfires earlier this year? The US would irradiate themselves if they nuked Canada. Sure, Trump might try to piss into the wind, but the rest are way too selfish to let him.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Depends how they use the nuke. Airbursts are pretty clean

Vapourising/torching cities would be an unlawful order, though. And still far fetched; they want to own us, not kill us all.

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[–] RFKJrsBrainworm@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 weeks ago

Don't threaten us with a good time

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[–] Jason2357@lemmy.ca 43 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

What a stupid ragebait headline. Of course a geneneral is not going to even suggest they would disobey a hypothetical lawful order. Why would someone end their career for some journalists gocha question?

Says nothing about his private thoughts or what he would actually do. Zero information value.

[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 weeks ago (18 children)

How is that a lawful order??

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

How is bombing a wedding a lawful order?

The military is trained to be mindless sychophants.

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[–] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It's technically not illegal to invade another country unprovoked. It's illegal to do war crimes though. You can invade a country and annex it without committing warcrimes.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 6 points 3 weeks ago

It isn't, but Congress is pretending it is which is the same thing.

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[–] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 27 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)
[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No matter what he says he would. You don't become a General by refusing orders.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 7 points 3 weeks ago

And even if he would refuse he'd be removed from command and something willing to obey would replace him.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 3 weeks ago

I'm not sure actually, because had he said he wouldn't, they probably would have just discharged him.

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[–] rozodru@piefed.world 22 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

If the US tried it Canada would make Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc look like a casual sunday stroll in the park. If the US couldn't handle Guerrilla warfare against people who DON'T look like them, imagine how well they'll do against people that do. And the further north they got the more fucked they'd be. Ever been in a fight with a pissed off Indigenous individual? try it, see how far you get. Not only that you got all the dudes living in the bush with rifles and god knows what else.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

People who look like them, sound like them and know all the same pop culture, including supposedly local stuff like news anchors.

There's not many shibboleths they could use, and usually they pick a really obvious one. I pledge...

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 8 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

And the further north they got the more fucked they’d be

Doesn't like 90% of Canada's population live within 100 km of the border? Not much reason to even go that far north unfortunately

[–] Medic8eme@piefed.ca 14 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

No need to take the minerals, oil and water that are abundant in those northern places?

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[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago

That means there's all the more wilderness area to retreat and disappear into.

[–] The_Che_Banana@beehaw.org 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Regardless that at least 70% of Americans would join the Canadians

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[–] SirMaple__@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Sunshine@lemmy.ca 17 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The reporter pointed out that Paparo did not answer the question. The U.S. admiral said he was dismissing the issue, adding: “Would you ask me please also what my attack plans are for the Martians?”

The reporter replied: “You belittle it and I don’t think that’s the right approach at all. This is a serious question about a serious issue.”

A Nanos poll taken in February found that three in five Canadians are concerned about the U.S. being a potential threat to Canadian sovereignty. A majority also support making it illegal for Canadians to serve in the U.S. military, according to a poll commissioned by The Maple in April.

Despite Trump’s threats, however, Canadian government ministers have continued to stress Canada’s continued cooperation with the Americans on military affairs.

[–] healthetank@lemmy.ca 10 points 3 weeks ago

I've got some family in the military, and they've served in Europe both before and after Trump. They said there hasn't been any actual decrease in cooperation while overseas between the US and us, and everyone they talk to makes it clear how ridiculously an order would be taken to invade.

That being said, their last deployment was July last year, so things may have changed. Also he did note that none said they'd reject the order - just how ridiculous the whole situation was. Hoping we never have to find out.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 14 points 3 weeks ago

Said it before and will say it again. This is why I feel running to another country you have to think about. We have this insanely large military and a lot of damage can be done with it. We need to protest and refuse to work and whatever else we can do.

[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

We need people at the top who will resist when the shit hits the fan. They should tread lightly to hang on to their position.

I condemn the ones who resign out of principle, they are the very people we need to stay in.

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[–] ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Invade with what?

Didn't they waste all their armament on Iran? And I doubt U.S. soldiers would actually follow that kind of order without any objection. They're stupid, but not that stupid.

However. Maybe it's time I apply for that gun license...

[–] ZJBlank@lemmy.world 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Realistically, the US could still defeat us pretty quickly, militarily. The ensuing Canadian insurgency though, that’s another matter. It’d be like Iraq all over again.

[–] MBech@feddit.dk 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

USA has shown time and time again that they can do absolutely nothing against a barely structured insurgency. If the canadian military has been paying the slightest bit of attention for the past 70 years, they know not to defend against USA by conventional methods.

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Population of Iraq: 48 million

Population of Canada: 41 million

Area of Iraq: 438,000 km²

Area of Canada: 9.98 million km²

US-Iraq Border: 0 km

US-Canada Border: 8,900 km

A US invasion of Canada would make Iraq look like a pleasant afternoon picnic in the park.

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[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Well, I suppose it's better than an enthusiastic "Yes!"

At least they still have the decency to be embarrassed about it.

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[–] bowreality@lemmy.ca 8 points 3 weeks ago

Now that they charge themselves 100% tariff on drones …

Jokes aside, I say we should get ready. Everybody can gain or polish some relevant skills that come in handy if it comes to it.

Best case you have a new hobby, worst case we make their life miserable if they decide to try and attack us.

[–] Bluedragon012@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You better disobey or we'll make sure that no one in the armed forces get any rights. We'd shoot you on sight along with anyone else that didn't refuse the shitter in cheif. Behave and use your neglected moral compass.

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[–] ProudCanadianCitizen@lemmy.ca 5 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (8 children)

Paparo, who serves as U.S. commander for the Indo-Pacific region, visibly took issue with the question. He said: “I find that scenario to be absolutely and utterly preposterous.”

He added: “I follow the orders of the commander-in-chief, but that is a needlessly emotional question.”

Look at his left chest - a billboard of medals and citations. He didn't get those by giving the wrong answer, or by basing his statements or actions on his personal opinion. His 'preposterous' statement would be a statement of fact, not a statement of opinion. Here are some of the facts that are behind the factual 'preposterous' statement.

Any order that comes down the chain of command, keeps going down the chain of command. At every step of the way, the officers would have the option to follow the order by 'advancing to the rear'.

From Google AI: Presumption of Legality: Routine orders carry a legal presumption of lawfulness, and a soldier must obey normal commands. However, that presumption breaks down when an order directs an overt, clear violation of domestic or international law (such as targeting unresisting civilians).

Also: The defense of "just following orders" (historically known as the Nuremberg defense) is not legally valid in the US military. If a soldier carries out an order that a person of "ordinary sense" would know is illegal—such as executing a surrendered enemy combatant—the soldier can be criminally prosecuted alongside the officer who gave the command.

Also: The Supremacy Clause: Article VI of the Constitution states that treaties made by the United States are part of the "supreme law of the land."

Treaty Conflicts: If the U.S. has a formal treaty or defense pact with an ally, attacking that ally could violate U.S. treaty commitments, which hold the status of federal law.

Since both countries are members of NATO, any order to attack Canada from the Commander-in-Chief could easily be interpreted up and down the chain of command as an illegal order. This would put every soldier in the predicament of possibly being prosecuted for obeying such an order, right up and down the entire chain of command. It also presents the possibility of the POTUS being charged and convicted of the crime of issuing an illegal order. Thus, answering the question as stated is factually 'preposterous'. The POTUS could not, as Commander-in-Chief, be reasonably seen as being able to give a legal order to attack Canada.

But it is also very clear that he is indirectly accusing Trump of being needlessly emotional in even insinuating the possibility that Trump could give such an illegal order.

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