Okay, fine. But you have to do all of it. That means nobody can change more than 10% interest and there has to be a jubilee every 50 years where all debts are forgiven and all land is returned to its original owner.
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Christian nationalist Doug Wilson wants tax rates to be determined by the Bible: "I would like Divine Law to have something to say about the marginal tax rates ... because when the state claims a tithe, they're claiming equality with God."
Somebody needs to read their Bible.
Then they sent to Him some of the Pharisees and the Herodians, to catch Him in His words. When they had come, they said to Him, “Teacher, we know that You are true, and care about no one; for You do not regard the person of men, but teach the way of God in truth. Is it lawful to pay taxes to Caesar, or not? Shall we pay, or shall we not pay?” But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, “Why do you test Me? Bring Me a denarius that I may see it.” So they brought it. And He said to them, “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said to Him, “Caesar’s.” And Jesus answered and said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
Mark 12:13-16 (NKJV). There are other passages about submitting to earthly governments as well where they do not contravene the law of God.
Guarantee this dumbass talking about Divine Law will just as quickly foam at the mouth about Sharia Law.
"I mean real Divine Law, not that terrorist crap!"
...all while he proceeds to ignore the 1000's of religions that were a thing before his specific denomination of Christianity came along and got it "right".
The Bible is a bit like the internet - it's large and obscure enough that if you dig long enough, you can find just about anything you want to "back up" any point of view you want.
did the fella pocket the coin?
I miss that brief period of time when dipshits like this would be told "Okay, buddy" and escorted out of the building.
Christian nationalist Doug Wilson wants tax rates to be determined by the Bible: "I would like Divine Law to have something to say about the marginal tax rates ... because when the state claims a tithe, they're claiming equality with God."
I mean..the Bible has a pretty prominent verse that the state should be able to set taxes.
Tell us then, what is your opinion? Is it right to pay the imperial tax to Caesar or not?” But Jesus, knowing their evil intent, said, “You hypocrites, why are you trying to trap me? Show me the coin used for paying the tax.” They brought him a denarius, and he asked them, “Whose image is this? And whose inscription?”
“Caesar’s,” they replied.
Then he said to them, “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”
So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s
This is one of the corner stones of why Christian countries aren't ~~patriarchies~~ Theocracies like with Islam, and an extremely well known passage.
The 10% recommendation is for the church, or God as they would probably like to imagine.
Are you confusing patriarchy with theocracy? The US is a patriarchy that the Christian Nationalists are trying to turn into a theocracy.
Yes.
Brainfart, English is not my first language.
That's alright. English isn't the first language of plenty of people who only speak English.
This is one of the corner stones of why Christian countries aren't patriarchies
So why are christians trying to repeal women's right to vote in the United States?
Christianity, like all the abrahamic faiths, is a misogynistic death cult. Are there some good verses in the bible? Sure. But please stop ignoring the bad ones.
I do agree, christianity is patriarchy historically. I think the fights fought after Luthers writings were basically liberating from that core christianity. I recall church went too greedy with payments to be freed from sins (even as murderer, incl future crimes) and double fighting popes, people gatherd all this must be bullshit. Probably also too high taxes.
Due to now accepting non believers and believers of different christianity strains, the "we vs them" was watered down few hundred years ago.
Islam is later in this process and has different circumstances like oil money financing the whole hate n terror.
I never claimed they aren't trying to influence politics, but they aren't demanding the church should have full control either.
Religious people are delusional, bu luckily the Bible does have some limitations to the influence of their religious delusions, that unfortunately Islam doesn't have. And you can see the difference very clearly in that regard between Christian and Muslim countries. Where AFAIK Turkey is the only somewhat secular Muslim dominated country thanks to Atatürk.
they aren't demanding the church should have full control either.
Yes, many are doing exactly that.
Religious people are delusional, bu luckily the Bible does have some limitations to the influence of their religious delusions, that unfortunately Islam doesn't have.
The bible frequently contradicts itself. Everyone has their own headcanon. There is no limit when you tolerate magical thinking.
And you can see the difference very clearly in that regard between Christian and Muslim countries. Where AFAIK Turkey is the only somewhat secular Muslim dominated country thanks to Atatürk.
I can agree that muslim countries are generally worse than christian ones.
But a christian nation has the potential to be just as horrific as any muslim one. The foundation is "submit completely to violent authority."
Why are we tolerating ANY death cults? Why are we allowing grown adults to make shit up to everyone's detriment?
“You hypocrites..."
Yeah, that about sums up this douche canoe.
What has paying taxes got to do with patriarchy?
What’s Jesus playing word games to avoid answering questions with no good questions got to do with patriarchy?
You’ll notice that he didn’t actually answer the question. “Give to ceasars what is ceasars” was a dodge- the question was on paying taxes to Rome.
Saying “no” would get him executed by the Romans.
Saying “yes” would delegitimize him in the eyes of Jews since the Messiah was supposed to rise up, be king, and kick their asses out of Israel, and then, you know, do the whole world domination thing.
Either way it ended with someone killing him, so he gave a non-answer that sounded smart,
What has paying taxes got to do with patriarchy?
That he has a right to claim taxes not determined by the church clearly implies that Caesar is a legitimate leader of his realm. And a secular leader being legitimate implies that the Church is not supposed to be the government, but rules the realm of god or the "spiritual" world.
It's not rocket science, it's all pretty obvious, and has never been questioned in any Christian country. Because despite the self contradictions of the Bible, it is actually pretty clear on this point.
It’s not rocket science. It’s so obvious you can’t actually answer the question.
So I ask again: what has any of this to do with patriarchy? Or perhaps it’s too complicated, I should ask instead “what as any of this got to do with with a society ruled by male heads of family units- usually at the clan level and usually the eldest male.”
You’re also imputing an awful lot into a non-answer. The question Jesus was asked, is “was it lawful to pay taxes to Rome”, and that’s a question that has no right answer. Or at least, no answer that doesn’t have people trying to kill him.
In the scripture, Jesus even recognizes this fact. He gave a non answer.
- Multiple currencies were in use (the coins minted by Tyr were thought to be particularly good as they were known to not debase their currency, which is why the temple only accepted that currency for temple tributes and offerings.).
- taxes were not always paid in currency. They could also be paid in goods (especially crops or food,) and useful services.
- the coins were owned by whoever owned them, not the emperor. The seal and face of which ever emperor was on the throne only represents the authority to mint the coin, not ownership.
And again if he gave anything but a non answer, he’d have been killed. Either by the Romans or the Jews. Which doesn’t matter… except to say the Jews probably would not have been as torturous about it.
Finally, the concept of paying taxes to the lawful government and tributes to the temple being two different obligations far predated Christianity- probably also Judaism, for that matter.
The question wasn’t about “are secular governments allowed to collect taxes” or even what rates. Ultimately, the question was “is Herod Antipas (the then-king of Judah, who was a client of Rome) legitimate,” (because guess who was paying taxes to Rome.)(also take a guess at who was making a claim to Herod’s throne.)(hint: the messiah was supposed to be a king of line of David…)
a secular leader being legitimate implies that the Church is not supposed to be the government, but rules the realm of god or the "spiritual" world.
No, it's much stupider than that. They take credit for "secular" leaders, too.
Romans 13:
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
because when the state claims a tithe, they’re claiming equality with God.
So, basically, no income taxes of any kind then, if this guy has his way.
Or, more strictly speaking, you could have whatever income taxes you want, as long as they aren't exactly 10%.
separation of church and state, amirite?
"I believe in separation of church and state. But I can't vote for anyone who doesn't follow the same god and interpret scripture as a perfect decision making guide because such a person has already demonstrated a deficient decision making capability."
-Paraphrased quote from my parents
"Anyway, I'm voting for this constantly cheating pedophile who ran his casino into the ground. Because the price of eggs is high."
-Additional paraphrased quote from mine
Doesn't the quaran already have that covered? Sounds like he'd better convert ..