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This is one of the corner stones of why Christian countries aren't ~~patriarchies~~ Theocracies like with Islam, and an extremely well known passage.
The 10% recommendation is for the church, or God as they would probably like to imagine.
Are you confusing patriarchy with theocracy? The US is a patriarchy that the Christian Nationalists are trying to turn into a theocracy.
Yes.
Brainfart, English is not my first language.
That's alright. English isn't the first language of plenty of people who only speak English.
So why are christians trying to repeal women's right to vote in the United States?
Christianity, like all the abrahamic faiths, is a misogynistic death cult. Are there some good verses in the bible? Sure. But please stop ignoring the bad ones.
I do agree, christianity is patriarchy historically. I think the fights fought after Luthers writings were basically liberating from that core christianity. I recall church went too greedy with payments to be freed from sins (even as murderer, incl future crimes) and double fighting popes, people gatherd all this must be bullshit. Probably also too high taxes.
Due to now accepting non believers and believers of different christianity strains, the "we vs them" was watered down few hundred years ago.
Islam is later in this process and has different circumstances like oil money financing the whole hate n terror.
I never claimed they aren't trying to influence politics, but they aren't demanding the church should have full control either.
Religious people are delusional, bu luckily the Bible does have some limitations to the influence of their religious delusions, that unfortunately Islam doesn't have. And you can see the difference very clearly in that regard between Christian and Muslim countries. Where AFAIK Turkey is the only somewhat secular Muslim dominated country thanks to Atatürk.
Yes, many are doing exactly that.
The bible frequently contradicts itself. Everyone has their own headcanon. There is no limit when you tolerate magical thinking.
I can agree that muslim countries are generally worse than christian ones.
But a christian nation has the potential to be just as horrific as any muslim one. The foundation is "submit completely to violent authority."
Why are we tolerating ANY death cults? Why are we allowing grown adults to make shit up to everyone's detriment?
Yeah, that about sums up this douche canoe.
What has paying taxes got to do with patriarchy?
What’s Jesus playing word games to avoid answering questions with no good questions got to do with patriarchy?
You’ll notice that he didn’t actually answer the question. “Give to ceasars what is ceasars” was a dodge- the question was on paying taxes to Rome.
Saying “no” would get him executed by the Romans.
Saying “yes” would delegitimize him in the eyes of Jews since the Messiah was supposed to rise up, be king, and kick their asses out of Israel, and then, you know, do the whole world domination thing.
Either way it ended with someone killing him, so he gave a non-answer that sounded smart,
That he has a right to claim taxes not determined by the church clearly implies that Caesar is a legitimate leader of his realm. And a secular leader being legitimate implies that the Church is not supposed to be the government, but rules the realm of god or the "spiritual" world.
It's not rocket science, it's all pretty obvious, and has never been questioned in any Christian country. Because despite the self contradictions of the Bible, it is actually pretty clear on this point.
It’s not rocket science. It’s so obvious you can’t actually answer the question.
So I ask again: what has any of this to do with patriarchy? Or perhaps it’s too complicated, I should ask instead “what as any of this got to do with with a society ruled by male heads of family units- usually at the clan level and usually the eldest male.”
You’re also imputing an awful lot into a non-answer. The question Jesus was asked, is “was it lawful to pay taxes to Rome”, and that’s a question that has no right answer. Or at least, no answer that doesn’t have people trying to kill him.
In the scripture, Jesus even recognizes this fact. He gave a non answer.
And again if he gave anything but a non answer, he’d have been killed. Either by the Romans or the Jews. Which doesn’t matter… except to say the Jews probably would not have been as torturous about it.
Finally, the concept of paying taxes to the lawful government and tributes to the temple being two different obligations far predated Christianity- probably also Judaism, for that matter.
The question wasn’t about “are secular governments allowed to collect taxes” or even what rates. Ultimately, the question was “is Herod Antipas (the then-king of Judah, who was a client of Rome) legitimate,” (because guess who was paying taxes to Rome.)(also take a guess at who was making a claim to Herod’s throne.)(hint: the messiah was supposed to be a king of line of David…)
No, it's much stupider than that. They take credit for "secular" leaders, too.
Romans 13: