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I am a little shocked at the lack of solidarity I see between artists working in different mediums wrt genAI.

Musicians who would never use it to make music use it to make cover art

Graphic artists reach for it to make music over their videos

Writers use it to illustrate their articles

And, considering software development an art, many use it to create web sites or apps to host their art.

None of this is necessary. All of this is harmful to the other artists.

Collaborate ffs.

Stop it.

Aug 09, 2026, 12:17 AM

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[–] Worstdriver@lemmy.world 5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Seen this myself.

I just semi-retired after 10 years of writing My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic fanfiction. It was a nice little side hustle that brought in 1-2k a year and I enjoyed learning how to write stories.

In the past I would write a story and then either commission an artist for some cover art, or find some that suited the story on one of the many MLP art databases and ask permission to use it. In 10 years of writing over a million words I was never once refused my request to use someone's art, and I always made sure the artist was credited.

But, in the past year or so the primary website for MLP fanfictions (fimfiction.net) started allowing AI art for covers which like the OP, I feel to be a betrayal of our fellow creatives. We definitely need to stand together against the tide of AI slop, no matter its genre.

[–] magic_smoke@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Worstdriver@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

And yeah, I've contributed more than my share of clop, but if you are looking for good non-clop stories check out:

The Dresden Fillies series - Dresden Files crossover

White by Criminal - short horror story

Changeling Space Program - a riff on the Kerbal Space Program game

Celestia vs Garble - pure comedy in Monty Python style

It Sleeps Beneath Foal Mountain - Lovecraftian horror

Parlous - some of the best uses of archaic words and phrases I've ever read.

None of these are by me. Just some of my favorites

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 12 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I think a big part of the problem is that most people just can't afford each other.

Sure, you can do "paid in kind" (which has it's own complexities) but mainly there's so many overheads in life, as well as middlemen extorting out their cut that hiring a creative is cripplingly expensive.

It's something only affordable to either those with a lot of disposable income, or those who are planning to make a hefty profit from it (and won't be worrying about money in the meantime either).

Even in times when I was making the same income as a plumber, the idea of hiring one was deeply financially intimidating. Even an independent one. The way it's stacked, you can only afford to hire people in a lower class/caste/tax-bracket than yourself.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 6 points 20 hours ago

100% this. They couldn't afford each other before. Just because AI options are cheap and fast doesn't make them able to afford real work suddenly.

[–] emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 20 hours ago

Yep. And people want to work on something they're passionate about. So unless you're actively collaborating all through the creative process, it's mostly going to be one person's creative vision. You can say that the music video is a collaboration between the animator/effects artist and the musician, but if the musician has something specific in mind that they want to make, that's not going to feel like a collaboration for the video artist,it's going to feel like a commission. Which no one wants to do for free.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 6 points 20 hours ago

Realistically a lot of the people who are using AI for these were previously just ripping them off the internet and hoping nobody would notice...

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm just going to take a moment to appreciate that they considered software development an art. It's a rare moment.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (3 children)

It's funny how many non-programmers see programming as a repetitive and boring task.. Like, the whole point of it is to take boring repetitive tasks and automate them away. And the bits that are really well understood are the bits you don't need to deal with, because there's already libraries for that. Definitely an art (or a craft at least).

[–] AnarchistArtificer@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

One of my favourite things is to watch a programmer wax poetic about the beauty they see in good code.

It tangentially reminds me of "clocking screws", a practice in which one screws in flathead screws such that the slots are all aligned . It's easy to do, but a lot of faff; manufacturing variances means that each screw will require a slightly different number of turns to be sufficiently tight, so you need to:
" Line up the screw so the slot is aligned vertically

  • Screw it in until it's tight
  • If the slot is not aligned vertically, estimate how far off from ideal it is (i.e. if the slot ended up horizontal, then that's around 90° off from what you want)
  • Unscrew the screw, and line it up again, accounting for the angle you estimated in the previous step
  • Screw the screw back in and repeat the process if necessary.

It takes a lot of skill to reliably gauge how to do, especially because repeated screwing and unscrewing the screw can loosen the hole enough that it affects the process. Even for skilled craftsmen, it's an absurd level of work for something that, even when flathead screws were more common, most people would never notice. Nowadays, the only place I'm likely to see clockable screws are at old churches or similar

It's so persnickety and silly, but that's why I love it. I imagine that the craftspeople who care(d) about this stuff were a lot like today's programmers who wax poetic about elegance in their code. It makes me so happy whenever I peer underneath a century old pew and see clocked screws, because it makes me think about the person who put such care into a part of their work that next to no-one would even see, let alone appreciate. It is especially nice because I imagine that many of these craftspeople were of a socioeconomic class that were thought unable to appreciate Beauty and Art.

No matter the field, people will find ways to impart Beauty and Art into their craft.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago

Hah, for sure, that's crazy, and I'd never be bothers, but I'd be very impressed of I saw someone else do it!

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Same to mathematics then again the relationship most people have with math is a far cry from the hopefully ingenious, and creative labor of what mathematicians do. Most just remember suffering to learn rules discovered by others and themselves never getting the chance to do the discovering.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I love maths, did a major in it (plus a summer project). But its also one of the hardest things I've ever done, and I never did anything that felt remotely like discovery or like creativity (though I agree it is creative). It's in a league of it's own in terms of dedication required, IMO.

[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

What branch of math did you study (assuming you got a graduate degree)? I was more so in CS so had a heavy discrete math background. I particularly love graph theory. I think with applied math in CS you're often asked to do something new-ish with designing algorithms. That said I also didn't discover anything.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

It was in a science degree, so I could just choose any topics, as long as they were at the right level. I think third year I did topology and number theory, and a mix of stuff in lower years.

It's funny how many programmers see it the same way. Actually bugs the shit outta me, haha.

[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The reality is that almost no self sustaining artists can afford each other's work. Instead artists are forced to charge prices other artists would consider their entire grocery bill. Instead they have to hope they can either get patronage from the wealthy or some sort of corporation.

[–] Leviathan@fedinsfw.app 3 points 1 day ago

I'm in a band and we drew our first art and logo, sold merch and albums, now we pay local artists for commissioned art. We plan on never using AI for anything. It's really not hard if you respect other artists as much as you respect yourself.

[–] ToxicWaste@lemmy.cafe 2 points 1 day ago

AI is churning out low quality products at a high rate. artists i see offer commissions around 20 bucks at a significantly higher quality than AI. while you won't get the mona lisa anywhere for 20 quid, it is about the same price as chat gpt go costs you per month.

usually you don't need the magnum opus of an artist for supporting art. you need good quality, which for an experience artist is achievable in reasonable time and money. support eachother!

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The human brain always picks convenience.

We simply cannot help ourselves.

I’ve grown immensely cynical about that this past decade. Like, literally every chance we get to take a less destructive path, I observe people skip it because it’s slightly less convenient… that’s why they use AI.

They could give another artist $20 for something important, but the monkey brain picks the 5 second solution instead. I bet they don’t even look outside ChatGPT.

…So yeah, I think we’re in trouble. As this is not going to stop.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

IMO the drive to convenience is a product of the pressure of living under capitalism (as you mentioned, tired, but also fearful), and our society's abdication of nearly all forms of responsibility (of which looking out for each other is one).

[–] NikkiDimes@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As much as I love to blame capitalism for most things, I think this one does just boil down to human psychology. It's probably fair to say it's exacerbated by capitalism though.

There are things we could do to mitigate it; that's what regulations are for. But yeah, if left alone, people will tend to do whatever spends the fewest calories.

[–] jj4211@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Everyone thinks AI can do everyone else's job except their own.

I personally don't think so, and will not disrespect people by using it. It's just amazing how the fad at work went with everyone posting how they were going to automate away every other job responsibility but theirs. The crazy part is how eager they shared their concepts with the very people they were basically saying were obsolete.

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[–] TheStaffmaster@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If everyone were angels we wouldn't need money and the issue is that struggling artists have none to spread around. Collaboration is not the answer. Ending the oligarchic kleptocracy so we can afford to pay artists their worth is.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago

How do we do that without collaboration?

[–] unwarlikeExtortion@lemmy.ml 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

So they're actually not anti-AI art. They're anti AI-art in their field, because they (rightly) percieve it as direct competition.

But if a visual artist uses it for music, how can he sleep soundly and claim a musician using it for visual arts is inethical?

That's just slandering competition tooth and nail, all the while proving it's good enough by using it yourself. Not an ethical stance.

[–] naught101@lemmy.world 2 points 17 hours ago

I think maybe you misread?

[–] vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Stop it. Get some help.

Edit: image for clarity

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[–] bowsertattoo@piefed.social 5 points 1 day ago

solidarity brother! im a visual artist, and i deleted spotify in solidarity with musicians. i download from bandcamp now.

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