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[–] regul@hexbear.net 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

When I visited Japan recently I went to the Ueno Zoo in Tokyo because I had never seen a giant panda and they had two.

Let me just say, as barbarous as a lot of American zoos are, Japanese zoos are fucking dire. Most of the enclosures were just concrete pits with no shade. Idk if they just don't have the same sort of animals rights pressure as we do or what, but it didn't seem like much effort was put into the animals' welfare at all.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My understanding is this is because unlike a lot of zoos, the ones in Japan are essentially glorified public parks instead of research/conservation institutions. So they have vastly less funding, oversight, and the animals are legally public property, like a bench or something.

[–] regul@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago

I'm sure that's similar to how American zoos were in the recent past, but those changed because of public pressure.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 days ago

Most of the US zoos I've gone to are pretty awesome.

[–] InevitableSwing@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

According to Japanese meteorological authorities, the maximum daily temperatures in Tokyo averaged 90 degrees in the month of July. But when the month’s average humidity level of 77 percent was accounted for, the average heat index, a measure of how hot it really felt, rose to over 110 degrees. [...] Lions are more used to a dry heat environment.

[–] Super_Lumalo@hexbear.net 6 points 2 days ago

My eyes widened from shock, then I remembered it's Farenheit. Then after conversion they widened again.

[–] BettercallMao@hexbear.net 26 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Zoos should not exist anymore. Imagine living on a very recluse space without any privacy... this is torture

Addon: Less than 100 years ago it was common place having humans from diffetent continents exposed on zoos too

[–] kristina@hexbear.net 24 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] Johnny_Arson@hexbear.net 19 points 3 days ago

The ultimate act of dehumanization, according to the same unionist, was that the performers were housed near the animals and received medical care from… veterinarians.

holy fucking shit france-cool

[–] SerialExperimentsGay@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] kristina@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Mega ultra racism wasn't that long ago kids! Now we just have mega ultra racism lite! The people that ran this are still alive and have addresses and vote! 😵‍💫

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Many are critical for conservation and research efforts. It is an unfortunate byproduct of their existence that people want to see animals housed there, some of which certainly cannot ethically be part of the public spectacle. There are some species you can ethically provide all of the needs for and still display without major disruption to the animals' lives

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Many of those working in 'conservation' also kidnap the animals they breed from the wild in the first place and have a profit incentive to create as many babies as they possibly can to pass around to other zoos owned by the same people. The Portland, OR Zoo method of killing elephants and selling them to traveling circuses.

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I mean I definitely understand where you are coming from, but if you can successfully start a breeding program which removes the profit incentive of removing wild animals from their natural habitat, while also supplying other zoos with that animal so that they too do not have to remove them from the wild, that is an objectively good thing.

Selling to a circus is a different story, as is using elephants as an exhibit animal, since, as I stated previously, there are no circumstances which you can ethically display such an animal

[–] soybeanis@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

that is an objectively good thing

creating new forms of animal agriculture is not an objectively good thing

[–] CoolerOpposide@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago

If it objectively lowers the demand to harvest wild animals from their natural habitats, which necessitates increased human encroachment and habitat fragmentation, then yes actually it genuinely is objectively good.

At the very least, it's an objective improvement so long as your goal is alleviating animal suffering at large. Human pressure on any given biosphere not only puts more animals at risk of falling into the category of animal agriculture for the sake of preservation, it also is the greatest single threat and suffering indicator for wildlife in observable history.

[–] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is this a thing in current year in other settler nations like Australia and New Zealand? I'm not even going ask about Britain.

[–] Inui@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago

I'm not familiar enough with institutions outside the US, but I wouldn't assume any better in general. Focusing back on the US, I like to remind people that Seaworld was and is still AZA accredited. People like to point to that as some sort of stamp of quality. It's "we must sell hunting tags to generate the revenue we need to conserve the animals being hunted" type shit.

[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

If this were some country on the tail end of constant western racism the headline would read ‘3 lions dead due to neglect, critics accuse JAPANESE of animal cruelty’

[–] opiumfree@hexbear.net 9 points 2 days ago

they also killed a seal.

[–] RNAi@hexbear.net 5 points 2 days ago