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I work at a tobacco shop. And after they said I blown through a stop sign. When asked when drinking I said no. Then he said I smelled, and I quote, "of something suspicious". I get cops get their paycheck for tickets and such but seriously has it really gotten this bad that for a ticket they try to make it something bigger? and ignoring my rights?

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[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 117 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

lmao first time meeting a cop?

sorry that happened to you and good luck. hire a lawyer and do not talk to the police. not one word, unless your lawyer tells you to say it.

[–] Patnou@lemmy.world 46 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

I got arrested once before with a bunch of other people cause I went to my first protest. We were just protesting more fair wages and that the state become a union/ a non right to work state. I got they didn't read the miranda then because there was a shitload of us. But how come it is not illegal for them not to read it?

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 79 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

They only have to read it if they're going to question you as part of an investigation, and then only if they consider you a suspect or person of interest.

They don't have to read Miranda to witnesses, and any "spontaneous utterances" you make are evidence.

It's shut the fuck up Friday. There are five things you should ever say to police:

Is that a request or an order? I don't answer questions. I don't consent to any search. Am I free to go? I am exercising my right to remain silent.

If the officer gives you an order to do something, do it. Even if you don't feel it's a lawful order. The time for you to fight back is in court, not by yourself against someone with authority, a fragile ego, and a gun.

[–] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 21 points 3 weeks ago

This is the advice that's consistent with what I've heard from several different lawyers.

There are lawyers who specialize in cases like this. I'd call one. You don't want to be stuck with a spurious DWI on your record.

[–] Whostosay@sh.itjust.works 13 points 3 weeks ago

This guy shuts the fuck up

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

There are five things you should ever say to police:

Is that a request or an order?

I don't answer questions.

I don't consent to any search.

Am I free to go?

I am exercising my right to remain silent.

Note that, outside America, the rules will be different. Even in Canada, rights are very different. Less beatings and shootings, but our Article 5 is nowhere near as powerful as the 5th amendment.

[–] Triumph@fedia.io 6 points 3 weeks ago

Absolutely. Your local laws and conditions may vary. I left US as the assumed context since I was also talking about Miranda, which is a US thing. (Other countries may have a similar process, but Miranda is specific to the US.)

[–] boonhet@sopuli.xyz 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Man I'm pretty sure there's been at least one or two times where if I'd followed shut the fuck up Friday, I would've gotten a fine at least. Of course I do live in a different country (very important point I'd say. Cops here are fairly friendly when in a good mood and don't really get to shoot people).

There was one time when I got stopped because I didn't have inspection or insurance on my car as it had been sitting for a while. Got away with just having to renew insurance as I told them I was just going to my workshop to get the car fixed for inspection (slight lie, woops - think I was driving it to the family farm to store it there long-term as I had another car I was driving actively) and had forgotten to renew insurance since the car had been sitting with no insurance for a while. It's legal to drive your car to/from inspection and to/from a workshop for repairs without active inspection here.

Then another time when on that exact same car, IIRC the speedo didn't work properly (or maybe I was just in a mood to listen to the inline 5 purr) so I went what must've been about 65 km/h in a 50 zone at night and just told the cop that the speedo had just stopped working a few minutes ago. Car was about 25 years old at that point so entirely believable too. No fine or anything, got told to just go fix it and drive carefully in the meantime.

The common theme of course being that never have I been accused of doing anything that would get me prison time or something. It's been fairly tiny traffic offenses that they already got on video anyway (police cars have dash cameras after all), those fines don't cost a lot if you don't go to the court to argue. And it's not entirely impossible that I've been blessed with the gift of gab because while I'm nearly incapable of straight-up lying, I am very capable of bending the truth just right to make things sound better for me. For small, offenses, cops have discretion to let you go if you don't piss them off and to give you a fine if you play hardball.

[–] valek879@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 weeks ago

This still works in the US too but... And it's a big BUT! ...but it entirely depends on the cop, the mood they're in, and how their sex life is going. I've had times where I've been high as a kite and been given a warning or been driving 20 mph over the speed limit and got a warning.

I've also been on a bike and nearly hit by an off-duty cop, the cop was angered by this and chased me down the highway at bike speed (<15mph, uphill) while the road is posted to be 50mph. I called the police, fearing for my life, and when police arrived I spoke with them and they said I had nothing to great from this engaged motorist because they were also a cop. Then I was given an indictment (a court date) for public disturbance because the cop lied and said I, a trans person, called him the F slur. It was dismissed in the end (first amendment rights and all that) but I was punished for riding my bike along the bike path by being legally ordered to go to court and explain that I was terrified and had shouted at the crazy out of control person chasing me: "If you follow me I'm calling the cops!" The cop had no repercussions!

Anyway, my point is, you can get lucky either way but when your luck turns they hold all the cards and your only rights become what they decide you get.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

To expand on your edited bit, use those words exactly. Don't use slang or anything else. Explicitly invoke your right to remain silent and leave it at that. The supreme court rules that police "misinterpreting" when a guy asked "for my lawyer, dawg" as "for my lawyer dog" (which you don't have a right to) as reasonable. They will attempt to ignore your rights if they can. Also, IIRC, speaking after invoking your right to remain silent means you are no longer invoking your right to remain silent, so if you speak then you should invoke it again.

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[–] FaceDeer@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago

Miranda rights are only required during a custodial interrogation, which means you are in police custody (arrested or not free to leave), and the police are actively questioning or interrogating you. If the police arrest 50 people at a protest, put them in a van, process them at the precinct, and never ask them a single question about their conduct, the police never actually need to read them their rights.

Any self-incriminating statements you make before your rights are read to you generally cannot be used against you in court as primary evidence (this is the Exclusionary Rule). Note that that's as primary evidence, though. If you mention the kilogram of illicit substances hidden in your shoes before they Mirandize you they can't use that statement in court, but they sure can use that kilogram of illicit substances as physical evidence.

So other than the bare minimum of what the law says you have to say, always remember that it's Friday.

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[–] TheMadCodger@piefed.social 48 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

"I am not discussing what I have or haven't been eating or drinking. Am I being detained or am I free to go?" Field sobriety tests are always voluntary, but you might have to go to the station for a blood test.

If they continue to ask questions, "I am invoking my constitutional right to not answer questions. I won't be making any other statements without a lawyer present."

If they ask you to step out of your vehicle, you do have to comply. "I am complying and stepping out of my vehicle. I do not consent to a search of my person or property. Am I free to go or am I being detained?"

Never talk to the cops brought to you by Shut the Fuck Up Friday.

[–] BillyClark@piefed.social 9 points 3 weeks ago

It's shit that you have to know exactly what to say in order to take advantage of your rights.

But one thing I should mention is not just to be careful not to say what you've been eating or drinking. Never tell the cops anything about yourself other than what is legally required. They often ask where you're coming from and where you're going, for example.

They often try to trick people into consenting to a search by phrasing an order as a question, and pretending like they were just asking a question. "Would you mind opening your trunk?" The response is "I do not consent to searches." I would also lock my door if I stepped out of my car. There are many situations where they can pretend you implied consent to search.

[–] meco03211@lemmy.world 5 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

Depending on your habits, it might behoove you to opt for the station breath test. They can look at more than just alcohol in blood and pop you for weed or even legally prescribed adderall.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 31 points 3 weeks ago (12 children)

They wrote the one armed lady a ticket for holding a phone in the hand that doesn't exist while driving. So yeah. It's gotten that bad.

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[–] immutable@lemmy.zip 31 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Miranda rights only apply if the police are asking you incriminating questions.

If you are being arrested and questioned theres actually never any advantage of demanding to be read your rights, I see a lot of people demanding the police read them their rights.

When the police read you your rights it protects the police not you.

If you are questioned and incriminate yourself there are two possibilities. They did not read you your Miranda rights, in which case almost any lawyer in the country can get that incriminating statement thrown out because you weren’t read your rights. The did read you your Miranda rights, in which case you are fucked, you were informed you didn’t have to answer but incriminated yourself anyways.

It is never in your interest to demand they read you your rights and you should never really be upset if they don’t. Either they don’t have to or they just fucked up to your benefit.

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[–] homes@piefed.world 22 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

“something suspicious“

This line is bait to trick you into saying something that they can arrest you for. You’re only reply. Should be “OK, am I free to go?“. If they had something to arrest you for or to take you for, they would do it without asking you questions. When they ask you questions like this, they are not asking you questions to see if they can let you go. They are asking you questions to find something to ticket you for or arrest you for.

Cops are not your friends, and they are never, never, never ever ever there to help you. It is tho job to fuck you as hard as possible. Do not give them that opportunity by telling them anything that would make that easier for them to do.

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[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 22 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

they are filling a qouta, they dont care if is legit or not, just that have it on file.

[–] VitoRobles@lemmy.today 6 points 3 weeks ago

They also don't care if you contest it and get it dropped.

Some cops have given hundreds of citations, the courts drop them all, and they STILL have a job.

[–] StaticFalconar@lemmy.world 19 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

This is why lawyers exist, and why the court room is the other part of the justice system.

[–] y0kai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Still bullshit you have to probably pay court and lawyer fees and waste however much time it takes to be detained and in and out of court.

If you're poor you're fucked either way. "oh after many stressful months they said I am innocent! As a prize, I owe anywhere from several hundred to several thousands of dollars to the state and/or my lawyer, just because this one jacakss cop was in a bad mood one day and didn't like my face, or the car I drove, or the way I wore my clothes, etc."

[–] HasturInYellow@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

I have lost all faith or confidence in justice existing within this system. It is incompatible with the possibility of what you described.

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[–] heartSagan5@lemmy.zip 18 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There was a SCROTUS ruling under Dump that ruled they don’t have to read you your Miranda rights.

“Shut the f- up” and always request a lawyer now, is the correct strategy, which seems a gift to bar associations.

[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Shit I didn't ever hear about this.

The Miranda warning isn’t required every time a police officer initiates an interaction with you.

For the Miranda rule to apply, a person must be in custody, meaning that they are “deprived of freedom of action in any significant way.” Routine traffic stops are usually not considered custodial.

For the Miranda warning to apply, a person must meet two conditions: 1) being in custody and 2) under interrogation. For example, if you are “un-Mirandized” and cuffed at the police station, blurting out a confession while you aren’t being questioned is admissible evidence in court because while you were in custody, you were not being actively interrogated.

Police are not required to read your Miranda rights before or during arrest. While some officers may choose to do so, they are only legally obligated to “Mirandize” suspects who are being questioned in custody.

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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Assuming a prosecutor takes this to court, they will have to provide evidence during the probable cause hearing. If it goes that far, it will get dismissed if there is no evidence. It's more likely that the prosecutor does nothing unless there is something they have unknown to you or you are not telling us something.

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[–] WillerNiller@lemmy.zip 14 points 3 weeks ago

Don’t ever speak to the police. They are never there to help you. Get a lawyer asap! ACAB

[–] TheFogan@programming.dev 10 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Very much not a lawyer but in the US from what I understand you don't have to consent to a field sobreity test at all (IE the breathalyzer), but the cops can require you to come to the station for, the tests that they refused to give you.

As far as Miranda rights, that's kind of misunderstood, in short if you weren't formerly brought into an interogation room. or put in jail, it's not a strong requirement for them to read it.

I don't have the full picture but if you aren't in jail, then you've basically got a BS ticket. They might be able to hit you for reckless driving or something if you were swerving or something in your driving lead to the actual suspicion and they have it on dash cam, but the DWI itself, should fall apart instantly without evidence.

I know my ex got out of a DWI that she was very guilty of, simply by police incompetence (cops lost the test results),

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[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago

Anything you say to a cop, regardless of whether they read you your rights, can and will be used against you.

Do not ever talk to cops. Don’t answer their questions with more than a polite “I don’t want to talk about my day, sir.” If they keep pressing say “I invoke my fifth amendment right to remain silent and want a lawyer”

This message has been brought to you by Shut the Fuck Up Friday.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 9 points 3 weeks ago

Turn off the device and get a criminal lawyer.

[–] WhatsHerBucket@lemmy.world 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This day and age you should be grateful you only got a ticket and you’re not in a concentration camp somewhere.

In all seriousness, yes cops suck. Go to court, if they got nothing, you may be able to get out of it.

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[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Did they blood test you? If yes, and you hit for weed in a lame state, still get a lawyer, but also good luck.

If you didn't get a blood test, get a lawyer, you'll get off. Like for sure. "I work there of course I smell like it, I don't even smoke I just like affording 'food' Your Honor. They can't prove I was high without that blood test. Rolling stop at best."

Breathalyzers are not admissible in court, btw.

[–] Infrapink@thebrainbin.org 9 points 3 weeks ago

Others have answered the questions about getting arrested. Here's a specific answer about Miranda rights.

Miranda rights are not read to you when you are pulled over on suspicion of breaking the law. They are read to you when you are being formally interrogated. Ask "Am I being detained?" or "Am I being interrogated?" If they say "no", keep quiet. If they say "yes", that's when they are required to read you your rights, at which point you say "I want to speak to my lawyer".

[–] sobchak@programming.dev 8 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah, especially in small towns. Just plead not guilty and get a public defender if you can (or hire a lawyer if you have the money). They'll probably drag it out for a while until the court eventually dismisses it. I've been pulled over, searched, and arrested for made-up shit multiple times.

[–] Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app 8 points 3 weeks ago

So short answer yes they can do that, for a few reasons, maybe the prosecutor will drop the charges, depending on how the stop went and if anything else happened which resulted in additional charges that end up sticking. Preface, I am not a lawyer.

A, any kind of traffic infraction (real or hallucinated by the cops) technically gives them the legal right to stop you. The initial stop will likely be upheld if it goes to court.

B, they use that as a pretext to then investigate other possible things. Drunk/impaired driving not surprisingly is a big one. Roadside breath tests are not admissible in court, station tests are.

C, if you blow 0's they rapidly pivot to "What other substances have you had which are impairing your ability to operate a motor vehicle". Technically speaking they can do that, if they think they have reasonable suspicion you are driving while impaired.

D, here's where it gets shitty. You can still be convicted of DWI even if all tests come back negative. Prosecutors can argue you were impaired by a substance that doesn't come up on standard tests. If they think they have enough video or documented evidence of you acting impaired they can still push for that.

E, GET A LAWYER. They can argue and eliminate a lot of points of data which the prosecutor can claim are evidence of impairment. Red watery eyes? They were tired. Slurred speech? How does the officer know those are not your normal speaking patterns? An important thing to note here, field sobriety tests tend to favor the police, NOT you. And they are not a legal requirement. Fyi.

F, if a more comprehensive drug test will show you were not intoxicated in any way you can pay out of pocket and submit that to court, but now you're getting into the area of "how much money will it cost to not take a lesser charge.

G, speaking of, the weaker the case the more likely the prosecutor will plead you down to a lesser charge just to make it go away while still giving them a technical win. It's bullshit and they use the threat of cost to prove innocence against you, because fuck poor people.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 3 weeks ago

If you're in the US, in states I know of, at least, if you weren't taken back to the station and had another DUI test done and took two other chem tests such as blowing in their big machine (not that little roadside one), a urine sample, and\or a blood draw, then I doubt you're getting charged with DUI. The roadside breathalyzer and heel to toe bullshit is just stuff used as a precursor to your arrest and you don't even have to do either of those. The tests to take you to court and charge you are all done after you've been arrested and are at the jail. The testing back at the jail house is what you aren't allowed to refuse without losing your license. You don't have to do shit roadside and there's no consequences, despite the lying shit the cop will tell you. Not the lil breath test, or walking a line, or following the officers finger or nothing. All that can be refused. It's all just so the officer has standing for being able to arrest you. Before you're at the jail, you don't have to participate in ANYTHING that is trying to determine your sobriety.

As the top commenter said. Don't consent to search. Don't resist. Get out if asked to get out, but close and if possible even lock your door. Exercise 4th, 5th, and 6th. STATE that you're exercising your right to remain silent and not answer questions and then STFU till you talk to a lawyer.

I could make this a list of shit and things to do like a mile long, but that's the highlight reel.

I'm not a lawyer. I'm not your lawyer. This is not law advice. I don't know if there's any exceptions to this in your particular state.

It sounds like you got taken advantage of by the cops. Get a lawyer. Sorry this happened to you. burning cop car

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 3 weeks ago

As for Miranda rights, there's a comic here https://lawcomic.net/guide/?p=2637 that explains how those work.

In general it doesn't matter if they aren't read to you unless the prosecution wants to use your self-incriminating statements against you in a criminal case. Then those statements might not be usable as evidence, but that's the only consequence.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

Just wait until they start screaming "Stop Resisting" for no reason. That's when you're either going to end up in a hospital or a grave. Get a lawyer and good luck.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Something similar happened to me once. I was driving back from my friend's house a state away, and had just taken a passenger ferry to cross a large sound. I had my dog with me, who was sleeping in the passenger seat at the time, and the back of the car was full of luggage.

Of course, as I'm about to get home I get pulled over and accused of drinking. I hadn't had a single drop to drink that day. What followed was a 20 minute interrogation on the side of the road trying to get a confession that never came. The pigs kept trying to put words into my mouth. They insisted repeatedly that I had been on a party boat (with my dog somehow), and kept implying that my dog was dangerous (she was asleep). I legitimately feared they were trying to fabricate a reason to shoot her.

Then they returned to their cop car and spend ages doing whatever it is pigs do in their mobile pen. I assume talking and checking my background for any criminal activity (I have none). Finally, they returned in a huff, gave me my license, and sent me off

[–] Rhaedas@fedia.io 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That's the kicker, when they finally let you go all pissed off because YOU wasted THEIR time.

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[–] bluGill@fedia.io 3 points 3 weeks ago

I assume in the USA? Not all countries have Miranda or right to remain silent laws. In some you are required to talk.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

They don't need to read you your rights for a field sobriety test. I believe every state has laws that make consent a condition of the drivers license and establish that the tests aren't self incrimination.

They should have read you your rights but if they didn't question you after arrest it's probably academic, since failure to do so would mean the answers you didn't give to the questions they didn't ask were inadmissible.

A dwi doesn't require alcohol. They could just say you were on "something". It's a catchall for not being in a fit state to drive.

Anything anyone says here is pointless. You need to talk to a lawyer.

[–] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 weeks ago

Get a good lawyer yesterday, don't talk to the cops.

[–] xtools@programming.dev 3 points 3 weeks ago

the land of freedom (insert bald eagle noises)

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